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Las ([personal profile] whynot) wrote2009-09-29 09:39 am

for every action there is an equal reaction post

This is why Gaius is hot. (HINT: It is because he is fly.)


EEEEEEEEEEE MICKEY BRICKS <333333333333

"AND THE FACE OF A BEAR." AWESOME. IT'S MANBEARPIG, I'M SUPERSERIAL.

HELLO GWEN'S CLEAVAGE

LEECH TANK. WHAT.

MYROR IS ALSO SPIDERMAN

Arthur... has nice eyes.

So like, Merlin is Cinderella, and Gaius and Arthur are like the stepsisters. WASH MY STOCKINGS, MERLIN.

I like Arthur's peasantfail and that Gwen is pissed off by it. A good way of alleviating the cheesiness of Arthur/Gwen from last episode. They've got a long way to go before troo love, and this tension is a good way of slowing things down.

"AND IF I'M NOT DOING THAT, I'M FULFILLING MY DESTINY." Merlin's outburst! IS AMAZING.

GWEN'S OUTBURST <333333333 BESTEST.

GWEN AND ARTHUR'S FIRST DATE, PREPARATION OF. \o/ AND THE CHICKEN. Best human/raw poultry interaction since that Mr. Bean Christmas episode.

Man, Bradley has a huge neck. Myror wouldn't have missed.

OH ARTHUR, EVEN DURING THE DATE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BE SELF-DEPRECATING, IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU YOU YOU. "WHAT ELSE DO YOU HATE ABOUT MEEEEEEE, GUINEVERE," INDEED.

...Did he just confess his crush on her? I didn't realize he was crushing on her already! What?!

The lessons in equality and respect that Gwen's been giving Arthur are null and void when Merlin's around, apparently. Arthur's still treating him like shit. Maybe if Merlin grew some breasts. I mean in all seriousness, I think that Arthur's prattishness is only occasionally affectionate, and the rest of the time it's genuine assholery, accidentally AND otherwise. I mean for god's sake, "fetch me a mattress"? He may genuinely care for people, for Merlin and Gwen and whoever, but he cares about them in a selfish way viz. seeing them more in context of his world, instead of seeing himself in context of theirs. (The exception is Uther, but that is a different kettle of fish entirely.) Or maybe he really is just that emotionally repressed, who the hell knows.

But honestly, I like that Arthur is a jerk again, because I always felt like S1 Arthur grew up too quickly. Plus, when he is a jerk, his moments of kingliness are that much more delightful.

The kiss is... kind of out of nowhere? I don't get it! I mean, I was \o/ but I was also ???. I had no inkling at all that Arthur was into her beyond thinking she's hot and nice. He was an ignorant ass and it irritated Gwen, and... now they are kissing?! What kind of a message is that?!

Myror is also apparently an awesome jouster! Cool. And for real, does no one else notice that Merlin is suddenly working for some rando knight now? Why does no one care?

What is the Latin they are chanting in the background? What are they saying?

LONGING WISTFUL GLANCES OVER HIS SHOULDER <3. 'Cos even though the Arthur/Gwen confuses me, I still like it?!

Anyway, much better than 2.01, despite the lack of Morgana.

There needs to be fic about how they all hang out with "Sir William" now in his small outlying village. There also needs to be fic about the leech tank.

LEECH TANK. WHERE IS THE LEECH TANK FIC.

Also, IT APPEARS NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE WILL GIVE ME A HEART ATTACK. OMG MORGANA. MORGANA AND MAGIC MAGICAL MORGANA. MORDRED. DRUIDS. OMG MORDRED. MORGANA'S GOLDEN EYES. \o/






Was Christian hell always this industrialized? I don't have my Sandmans with me so I can't check. It's like, the Industrial Revolution... in hell!! And I wonder if there is some demon who gets all polemical about how things aren't what they used to be, that punishment was once a craft amongst demons, but now it is a homogenized product. Industry robs the demons of dignity, and we must go back to emphasizing quality of punishment rather than quantity of punishment. We cannot allow ourselves to become alienated from what makes us demons, but how can we do that if all we do all day is guard mills and crank levers and push buttons?

The story itself is pretty engrossing, if gaudy in places (I'm looking at you, old-timey London Christian hell arc!). For a story mostly about non-humans, it is such a strongly humanist story, all about individualism and choice and flipping off predestination. You are your own creator. If you are wingless, it is because you chose for them to be cut off. If you only have half a face, it is because that is the face you wanted. Christopher Rudd's story is pretty much the American dream, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and making something of yourself by staying true to yourself. He climbed his way up the ladder OF HELL. DAMN, SON. And the reason Rudd was plucked from the horde of damned souls because he was still true to his faith, praying his prayers aloud.

On culturally and historically specific hells. So, our conception of Christian hell is pretty much... Dante? It's not a timeless thing. And the Biblespeak with archaic phrasing, that's not a timeless thing either. What will hell look like in a few centuries? How will angels and demons speak in our stories? Will our current phrasings be appropriated by the future to represent something ancient? That will be funny.

UM I LOVE MAZIKEEN A LOT. She is my favorite. I love that she is not whole with a whole face. I love that she is loyal without being subservient. What a fucking badass. I ship Mazikeen/Lucifer hardcore, but how do they get it on if he has no genitalia?

And Elaine Belloc oh my god <333 her huge crush on the devil <333 and Jill Presto is GREAT.

BUT OKAY. So Lucifer made this universe outside of God's jurisdiction and forbids worship there. Um. I don't understand how that works because the shape of worship and faith can exist outside of religion, they're just called something else. Some people love God the way other people love their spouse or their family or their art, a deep devoted thing that shapes and centers you, but guts you too. Like when bad things happen, you can say, "At least I still have this," even if sometimes the sentiment doesn't really make outward sense, but you say it anyway, because somehow it's still true. I feel like Lucifer's proclamation of NO WORSHIP ALLOWED is just like God's thing about not eating the apple. Eventually someone will come along and ask, "Why not?" At least God was being specific when he said don't eat the apple, but what does Lucifer even mean by 'worship' here? Is he cool with faith though? Is this going to be addressed in the later books?

[identity profile] heather.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahaha, I love your review.

I think the A/G kiss confused a lot of people, but I guess I've kissed guys with less build-up than that and wasn't in lurve, so it didn't strike me as a HUGE DEAL except for the fact that this is the first kiss between ARTHUR AND GUINEVERRRRE, and everything. Anyway I'm willing to forgive it on account of how flipping gorgeous it was. :P

But yeah, Arthur really didn't change from the beginning of the ep, LOL. He didn't really do anything different, he just thought about it more before proceeding to be a jerk. IDK, but if he'd done a 180 that would've been weird as well. I figure they just got caught in the moment? Because afterward they were both sort of "...ohshit" about it all, which I think helped sell it to me. And then it was back to reality and gorgeous wistful glances.

Stretching it out over more than one episode would've helped, but mostly I thought it was made of puppies and daisies. XP

AND NEXT WEEK OHGOD.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 02:30 pm (UTC)(link)
EXACTLY: Arthur/Guinevere is this huge looming thing, this big romance of the ages, doomed though it is, and the kiss just felt... kind of premature. Oh well, I guess even destined love has to start somewhere. I wasn't expecting the kiss to be in episode 2. I thought maybe at least halfway through season 2! AT LEAST.

Ya it seems like Arthur's journey will still be one of learning humility, which I'm happy about. 'Cos if he's already that supernoble to begin with, then his journey to kingship will be less interesting. And anyway as far as being supernoble go, we've got Lancelot. XD

OMG NEXT WEEK. morganaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[identity profile] heather.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Definitely, I was actually afraid it might happen in this ep and worried that it would seem too rushed - and it WAS rushed, but the way it played out (and I suspect this was more to do with the acting than the writing), it also felt like a situation that could actually happen between two people, even if it wasn't what I was anticipating or what I'd have written. So I bought it.

...or, could be I'm a sucka for the prettiness of it all. I can own to that. XD

MORGANA. HER EYES.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I knooooooooooooow, so pretty! I also hope to get juicy bits of Merlin/Morgana. XD
ext_80109: (Merlin: OT4: Team Kickass)

[identity profile] be-themoon.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
NEXT WEEK NEXT WEEK NEXT WEEEEEEEK. MORGANA HELL YES. golden eyes and shattering mirrors and druids and mordred and i am feeling a little incoherent and breathless and OMG CANNOT WAAAAAAIT.

THIS WEEK THIS WEEK OMG YAY! longing looks down corridors! that kiss was GORGEOUS. not to mention, swelling violin music! man, i love their theme song. :DDD as for timing, meh. it worked for me! and haha Arthur is such a brat - I like that we realized hey, he's still a really arrogant prat, and not only to Merlin. yay more character development! man, i love this show. :D

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
She looks extra lovely with golden eyes. XD She is extra lovely with maaaaaaaaagic. Also, I hope I get to be hearteyes at the Merlin/Morgana next week.

[identity profile] miakun.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
You had my same reaction to the preview, I was all ready to rant about Morgana and then the preview came on and I had a heart attack.

I mean for god's sake, "fetch me a mattress"?

See. I refuse to believe Merlin did that, because how the HELL could he get a mattress all the way through Camelot. But yeah, I really hope they're going somewhere with punching bag Merlin. I don't mind jerk Arthur, but he has to occasionally show his feelings better than that.

I think the kiss was totally unplanned (will have proof when I do a picspam later), because Arthur's face afterwards was like, "what did I just do?" and Gwen was like, "what did he just do?" which made me LOL, but I am like, "WRITERS, NOT EVERYONE CAN GET THE SUBTEXT WHEN IT IS THIS SUBTLE!"

Also that Gaius video is HILARIOUS.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
See. I refuse to believe Merlin did that, because how the HELL could he get a mattress all the way through Camelot.
Yeah, that was just absurd. Why does even Arthur say some of the things he says sometimes.

"WRITERS, NOT EVERYONE CAN GET THE SUBTEXT WHEN IT IS THIS SUBTLE!"
Ahahaha, RIGHT? I am so used to the subtext on this show being very very text!

I LOVE IT SO MUCH I CANNOT EVEN EXPRESS. Gaius needs more fanworks! He could sell a mil' saying nothing on the track!

[identity profile] miakun.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a Gaius comm now, I'm pretty sure, it's like something eyebrow arches. Oh have you seen, this (http://community.livejournal.com/drawmelot/31303.html#cutid1)? It's got Gaius and Merlin HIJINX hilarity it in it (and the whole thing needs more comments so we can inflate [livejournal.com profile] phoq's ego to the artistic proportions it needs to be so she can draw more and more)

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Eeeee! Awesome fanart yay! I'm so glad I requested art for Solstice, I cannot wait to see what I get.

EYEBROW ARCHES LOL. Oh Gaiusssssssss. Man, I would be all over a Gaius comm!

[identity profile] miakun.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] asthebrowarches! :D

You requested art? I can't wait either I can't wait to write mine, I just want to read/see ALL OF THEM for solstice.
Edited 2009-09-29 18:49 (UTC)

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yesssssssssss. omg what a hilarious comm name. Oh this is going to be great.

I LOVE YOUR ICON A LOT A LOT

[identity profile] miakun.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
My AU is like SO CLOSE to ready for posting, so I almost made a Will icon out of this picture (http://pics.livejournal.com/miakun/pic/001zr4kb) for AU Will, but then I was like, "do I even have REGULAR WILL?" FAIL so I made this one. He's pretty. I want to pet his face.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Chris Miles, ladies and gentlemen! You are a Skins fan too, then?

OH HEY, speaking of the wonder that is Gaius, have you seen this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dN5H29AB3A)? It fills me with much glee, but others say it fills them with the need for brain bleach. Sooo... be warned?

In conclusion, gratuitous shirtless Will pic (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/Lassiter/joe_dempsie_1179014811.jpg).

[identity profile] miakun.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
No, but I'm going to be -- I just have to carve out some time. The Gifs I've seen are hilarious.

And after that shirtless Will pic, I think I'll move my "need to see Skins" thing forward a bit. Mmm.

RE: Gaius vid CAN'T DO IT. Tried, got to back rubbing and twitched away. I AM WEAK.

I really need to get into Gaius head more, because I want to know what kind of people he was involved with back in the day romantically. WHO'D BE HIS THING? And like how was his interaction since he's obviously older than Uther's generation.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Skins breaks my heart and makes me giggle at the same time. Oh it is wonderful. And, tell me I am not the only person in the world who is curious for Merlin RPF fic featuring Joe Dempsie. I bet Bradley is a Skins fan.

Seriously, Gaius's past is so mysterious. How does he know the dragon? How does he know Hunith?

[identity profile] miakun.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
You should request it on the kinkmeme. SOMEBODY has to want to write it.

Seriously, Gaius's past is so mysterious. How does he know the dragon? How does he know Hunith?

I know, I really need to know his deal with Hunith. Like are they related, did they used to go out, WHAT IS THE DEAL? I can't write their epic tale of awesome and maybe love interests if Gaius ends up being her brother or something later.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
People have requested Bradley/Will Mellor and Colin/RLEdwin but I can't believe there is not a Joe Dempsie request to be found. HMMMM.

[identity profile] mrinalinee.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Now that I am over my initial flailing (which might come back at any time) I'm sort of worried that the writers are going to use the "our love can never be because of my father" roadblock to circumvent any actual development of the relationship. I am not sure how much sense that made!

Also, Luuuuucifer. When I first read Sandman, I felt like Neil Gaiman got so caught up in worldbuilding (which was awesome, I cannot deny) that he forgot to make sense sometimes, even wrt characters; with Mike Carey I feel like it is the exact opposite: he's more interested in character motivation than like, plots that are in an way coherent. So yes, the worship thing is addressed, but not the faith v. worship thing as much, and sometimes it is pretty silly. But I cannot even care because Lass! He writes women who are imperfect but fully realized, and pretty transcendent and who advance the plot through their own actions and not just because they exist and who even (gasp!) have relationships with each other. How rare is this in comic books, man. I strongly suspect that the reason that most of the central characters are women is some sort of literary subversion, which is irritating, but it is so masterfully done that I am mostly cool with it. I love them alllllll. I never really liked the Lys/Rudd storyline either, but I love her. And Lucifer/Mazikeen is pretty much my OTP of OTPS I cannot even. I have tunnel vision, I admit.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I can see that. Arthur can't marry some orphaned maid, he has to marry not as Arthur but as Camelot. But at the speed the relationship is going, maybe it will instill some needed slow-burn into it.

His women are indeed AWESOME. They are the best! I really love the group of girls in Book 1 just drinking beer and smoking weed, because it's so rare that girls just casually hang out like this in stories, comics or otherwise! More girls just chilling (not necessarily partying!) with booze and weed please!

I strongly suspect that the reason that most of the central characters are women is some sort of literary subversion
I have similar suspicions! I'm not sure if I would have noticed it if it weren't for how fandom likes to talk about representation in media. I appreciate it more now. I get distracted by how great these girls are! Mazikeeeeeeeeeeeen <3333

I cannot wait to finish the series so I can read the fic.

[identity profile] marycontraire.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
So like, Merlin is Cinderella, and Gaius and Arthur are like the stepsisters. WASH MY STOCKINGS, MERLIN. LOL, this is why I love you, darling. BRB, adding "peasantfail" to my personal dictionary. Also, this is Merlin's second teen angst outburst this season! Not that "AND IF I'M NOT DOING THAT, I'M FULFILLING MY DESTINY," isn't a valid sentiment, and I kind of love that he's not taking this shit lying down anymore, but I wonder how the constant anger will affect his relationship with Arthur... and his magic...

ALSO OMG NEXT WEEK LOOKS FABULOUS AND MORGANA FILLED. I like Gwen a lot better this week, but she still kind of bores me and Bradley is still kind of the worst actor on the show, so I'll be glad to have the focus shifted back to my two pets next week. MORGANA IS TOTALLY GOING TO CONFESS HER MAGIC TO MERLIN, I LOVE THAT HE IS THE ONE SHE TRUSTS WITH THIS.

Time to flail incoherently for a while and then write an art history paper which is tragically not on Pierrefonds, FML. By the way, that Gaius video is HOT.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'd love to see a confrontation between Merlin and Arthur. A REAL one, not this juvenile name-calling shit. I FEEL IT BUBBLING.

Gwen's strong stuff. Who is this fanon Gwen that squeaks at everything and is easily scandalized? That is not the Gwen I see.

I love Gaius and I love Gaius love, I do confess.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
But if I WERE my LJ icon, I would be this one.

[identity profile] marycontraire.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
LOL I actually replied to that comment thinking I had a different window open, so I was responding to something else, sorry for the non-sequitur. Bradley on a roller coaster is not a bad icon to aspire to, though. But I think if I could be one of my icons, I'd like to be Anne Shirley. She amuses me.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
MAZIKEEEEEEEEEEEEEN. I gave up caring about the genetalia issues: whatever they have, it works, and the details can go hang. And ELAINE omg just you wait. Just. you. wait.

I am so pleased you're reading this, because it's one of my favourite fictional narratives in the world.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I can spell genitalia. But I just woke up. NO JUDGING.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I WILL TELL YOUR PROFESSORS, THIS IS THE END OF YOUR MEDICAL CAREER

Mazikeen! I love that she wears the full mask over her whole face. I love that she shows up to hell's banquet in jeans and a t-shirt. I THINK QUITE POSSIBLY I GOT SPOILED FOR ELAINE. Not that that's going to stop me finishing reading.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
My brain is clearly rebelling against the fact that we just finished our sexual & reproductive health block.

Some excellent icons (http://community.livejournal.com/spiffed_icon/23193.html#cutid1). There are another couple of Lucifer posts in her icon comm but one of them contains spoilery icons.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh lovely! Thanks for that.

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2009-09-29 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Was Christian hell always this industrialized?
Nah, it is just current fashion. Hell is big on current fashion, dontcha no.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
So it would seem! Oh well, what else have they got to do with all of eternity stretched out before them.

[identity profile] fireflower314.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
I CANNOT WAIT FOR MORGANA'S EPISODE YAY YAY YAY. And I too am confused about Arthur/Gwen! Watching her go off at him was amaaaaazing, and I liked that he actually realized he had issues (for about five seconds, until Merlin showed up again) but then they are kissing? But. Sigh. I like them, I just feel like the show's moving it too fast. And YAAAAAAAAY for Merlin's outburst! BOOOOO for Morgana only getting five seconds of facetime though. D: But YAY FOR SATURDAY MAKING UP FOR THAT YAY.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2009-09-30 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
HOORAY OUTBURSTS
HOORAY MORGANA

The show IS moving quite fast! It's like they're thinking "Okay, Series 1 was when we got to screw around, but now we actually have to stuff in more bits from the legends!" And it's like, I dunno. Has the awesomeness of fandom raised our expectations for our canon or something?

[identity profile] animus-wyrmis.livejournal.com 2009-10-07 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure Arthur is just dallying with the servants! As princes do. And then the arc won't be "How can they be together?" but "How can this turn into a real relationship?" and "Will Morgana kill Arthur?"

Also, omg, Merlin's outburst was the best!