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Is anyone watching Happy Town at all? Because it is kind of AWESOME, and I should make a proper pimping post. But not today. Happy Town kind of reminds me of the "My Ainsel" section of American Gods, except told through the townspeople's perspective. It's set in a Great Lake state, AND there is a creepy bird, AND spring thaw festival shenanigans, AND there are even those magic tricks metaphor of which Gaiman was so fond. Availz on Hulu.

A small town in Minnesota is not as happy as the show title would have you believe. What's with these vanished people? What's with that new girl who just moved into town, and what does she REALLY want? The characters are excellent, with lots of familiar faces. Uriel (SPN), for one, playing Uriel. Ruth Fisher (Six Feet Under) playing the Machiavellian town mayor. Cardinal Woolsey (The Tudors) playing a dashing old man with a lot of skeletons in his closet. He owns a store selling a movie memorabilia and it's called--wait for it--THE HOUSE OF USHERS <33333. And don't get me started on Henley's reined-in chutzpah, or TC the reluctant sheriff, or the merry widows <333, or the Stiviletto brothers. THIS COULD'VE BEEN MY NEW SHOW. WHY SO PREMATURELY CANCELING, ABC? Do we have a movement to save it yet?

-- I actually like the Michael and Lucifer scene. Winchesters gone AU! I thought for a while that Lucifer's cage was, like, the ~ETHER or something, and I wanted the fic where Michael and Lucifer fell through nothingness for forever, fighting viciously at first, then getting tired of it so they talk, and then they get bored and play I Spy. But then Word of God had to be all, "Nah, Sam escaped from Hell", but I guess that's interesting too. What were Michael and Lucifer doing all that time they were in Hell? Where all the Lucifer/Michael fic at, basically?

-- Like many, I'm completely bewildered by the Chuck God and am not quite sure what to do with it. Depending on how much free will Chuck God has allowed, Chuck being an omnipotent deity who's been planning this all along cuts the legs off Supernatural as a story. How much of characters' decisions were actually the characters'? How much of it was Chuck's? How dare you, Chuck, tricking us into dramatic tension when maybe there was none!

So, conceptualizing Chuck as a writer/artist first, god second. Writing is hard! How often do people think that as a writer, you can just make your characters do anything you want -- kill them off, have revelations, get together with their crush, etc. And, yeah, as a creator you can technically do these things, but the best gods are not ex machina. The creator has the power to create the world and the characters and the rules, but yanno, once they are created, even the creator is subject to these rules. Or he has to be, if he wants to make a good, cohesive, satisfying creation. A creator is most free at that stage -- the brainstorming stage, so to speak -- because once they start writing the story for real, they will feel most free when they stay true to the rules they have established for this world.

So yes, endings are hard. Chuck, because he has pride in craft, won't just write "and then they lived happily ever after", not because his characters need to deserve it, but because he needs to deserve it too. It's like in the meta episodes where Sam and Dean are like, "These are our LIVES, they are not YOUR PLAYTHINGS," but ideally Chuck already knows this. If a writer has done their job well, characters gain their own momentum. You can try to make characters do what you want, but sometimes the scene won't work unless you let them do what THEY want, thus helping you realize that what they want IS what you want, because what you want is to make a good story. So you trust your characters. You trust your story. Their story. Whatever. Ideally, after a certain point, it will be difficult to tell the difference.

-- It's not stated outright that Chuck's God though, right? He could be a Trickster!

-- I do love the idea of God/Becky being canon though. She totally dumped his ass, okay. She lost faith in the relationship and in him. "I thought I loved you, Chuck, but I just love your creation. It's not that I don't believe in you; it's that I don't believe you." And then there should be crackfic-but-not where God tries to win Becky back, by trying everything chocolates and flowers to literally moving the stars in the sky for her, but Becky just sighs and says that is not what she needs, and that is not what he needs either if he thinks about it. They end up sitting on a park bench, Chuck being mournful and morose, all like, "You were mine," and Becky nods and says, "For a while." It was so fucking good, being loved by Becky and loving her, so good having that kind of love again. He may have left Heaven a long time ago, but he still hears people's prayers and all the times people take his name in vain. He swore not to interfere anymore, but to his surprise, his creation began interfering with him.

-- I've been discussing the idea of the Holy Trinity of Chuck with a few people. Say you got Chuck the Father, Chuck the Son, and Chuck the Holy Spirit. Chuck the Son, he's been a human on this earth for 30+ years, kinda like those 30+ years that got left out of the Bible between Jesus being born in a manger and becoming the Messiah. Maybe Chuck the Son didn't know who he really was, living among men to be a man, but now that this apocalypse shit is happening, Chuck the Father and Chuck the Holy Spirit make themselves known to the son, finally, telling Chuck the Son of his true identity and his inevitable return to divinity. And that all these three Chucks are the same Chuck anyway.

-- I also want fic about Chuck having coffee with Ganesh, Freya, and Aphrodite and they all dish the goss and help each other overcome obstacles. Being a god is hard, but with friends like these, you can do anything!! I mean, even more than you already can.

-- THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE PROPHESIED. Cas is gonna spearhead it when he goes back up to Heaven, okay. With Michael and Lucifer out of the way, Raphael is in charge and is head of the government and a nation devolving into anarchy. Cas thinks Heaven should be run differently, and leads a guerrilla movement against him. (Years from now, angels will wear shirts with Castiel's stenciled face on it and not know what he actually stood for.) And Anna didn't die in 5x13, okay -- NO BLACK WINGS SHADOW, OKAY -- she just got sent back to Bible camp, and Cas busts her out. THEY LEAD THE REVOLUTION TOGETHER <3333333

-- Obligatory appreciative head-nod to the montage and the assbutt.

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THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE PROPHESIED. Cas is gonna spearhead it when he goes back up to Heaven, okay. With Michael and Lucifer out of the way, Raphael is in charge and is head of the government and a nation devolving into anarchy. Cas thinks Heaven should be run differently, and leads a guerrilla movement against him. (Years from now, angels will wear shirts with Castiel's stenciled face on it and not know what he actually stood for.) And Anna didn't die in 5x13, okay -- NO BLACK WINGS SHADOW, OKAY -- she just got sent back to Bible camp, and Cas busts her out. THEY LEAD THE REVOLUTION TOGETHER <3333333

SOMEONE WILL WRITE ME THIS EPIC ONE DAY. I KNOW IT. \O/

YOU WIN AT LIFE.

MAYBE CHUCK ISN'T GOD BUT PROPHETS SIMPLY "VANISH" WHEN THEIR JOB IS DONE? I MEAN, NO ONE HEARD OF THE BIBLICAL GUYS EXCEPT FOR THEIR STORIES, RIGHT? *clings to hope*

Oops, that was me, hahaha... ^^°°°

Haha, possible! Some prophets turn water to wine, maybe Chuck teleports.

There is more than one Casfest prompt requesting something similar, so I will be surprised if we don't get at least one before the summer is through!

He swore not to interfere anymore, but to his surprise, his creation began interfering with him.

Oh my Chuck! I still cannot decide what I think of Chuck-as-God. I sort of really like the idea, and I think I'm justifying it to myself as maybe the guise of a prophet WAS real - that he really was getting the story as it happened, seeing it, knowing all, but not creating it? But that might just be me projecting my own hopes/beliefs onto it. In any case, God/Becky is the BOMB, and I was so mad that he dumped her/just that she didn't get to show up in the finale. Becky the Apostle is one of my utter faves, and I think...okay, this is just coming straight out of my brain, so it's maybe very incomprehensible, but - if Chuck is God, then the Supernatural books are the Word of God, and Becky is Saint Becky the Gospel writer, and FAN FIC is the Gospel of Winchester! Which, just, gives me total glee.

And of course Anna didn't die! Anna/Cas, rebel leaders, FOREVER!

've been discussing the idea of the Holy Trinity of Chuck with a few people. Say you got Chuck the Father, Chuck the Son, and Chuck the Holy Spirit. Chuck the Son, he's been a human on this earth for 30+ years, kinda like those 30+ years that got left out of the Bible between Jesus being born in a manger and becoming the Messiah.

So, I'm doing the second reading in Mass today, Paul in Corinth, the Body and Blood Mass, including the loaves and fishes miracle, and all I am thinking of is OK, so the Father is One, alone, the original creator, and the Son proceeds from the Father, and that maybe Chuck is more like the Holy Spirit, the giver of Life, who proceeds from both the Father and Son and is glorified... err, yeah. But then I thought, no, as the creator of the 'verse, he would have to be the Father... Distracted much?

A+ for the most amazing LJ title entry OF LIFE.

Also, your thoughts are awesome, especially for revolution. XD

MAY I HAVE ONE IN RED PLEASE?

rth and I have been discussing this, and the conclusion that I think we've come to is that Chuck is not one of the persons of the Trinity but is in fact The Trinity - Chuck the Father writing/creating/giving life; Chuck the Son, wholly human and wholly divine, residing on earth to teach and prophesy and...I dunno about the whole salvation part but then, this isn't exactly the same thing, so; and then Chuck the Spirit proceeding from those and inspiring (inspiring, that is, Becky and Co). Rth is saying it a lot more coherently and theologically than I am over on skype. Hmm.

Anna didn't die in 5x13, okay -- NO BLACK WINGS SHADOW, OKAY -- she just got sent back to Bible camp, and Cas busts her out. THEY LEAD THE REVOLUTION TOGETHER

*adds to personal canon*

She didn't die. We didn't see the black wings shadow, we saw her burn up like Michael burned up, and he was fine. Granted, he's an archangel so it might be more difficult for Anna to be fine after being burned up but...no black wings shadow. She is not gone for good.

Yay, thank you for the pimpage on the schmoop meme. <3

she just got sent back to Bible camp, and Cas busts her out.

NO NO NO see, this is another thing I keep meaning to write about how Michael did unto her as she was going to do to Sam, and Cas has to wander ~the entire universe~ picking up each tiny fragment, each molecule of her and putting them back togetherrrrr!

OTHER THAN THAT, A++++++

and Cas has to wander ~the entire universe~ picking up each tiny fragment, each molecule of her and putting them back togetherrrrr!

WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE YOU

omg i love it already

Ya! Maybe a little more difficult, but she's a go-getter, is our Anna. <3

You're welcome! I'm looking forward to seeing what this meme generates. XD

Haha, aww thank you!

not one of the persons of the Trinity but is in fact The Trinity
Yes! He can manifest himself as each of these three forms and is complete as those forms, but he is also the confluence of these forms and just as complete then too. Chuck isn't dealing salvation, true, hahaha. Maybe he's just dealing out... uh, truth in the form of the Word?

Is Chuck the Holy Spirit what's holding fandom together then? XD

Lol, precisely! The seven gifts of Chuck the Spirit - a spirit of grammar, a spirit of plot, of angst, of humor, of romance, of action, and of instigation. Or something along those lines.

My love for Becky is no secret XD and God/Becky has the potential to be both hilarious and weirdly heartfelt. Though that's my default view of Becky, I guess. \o/

A spirit of grammar! How optimistic of you :DDD! Where is the spirit of subtext? XD

AND THEN AND THEN OMG THE POWER DYNAMICS!! IS HE STRONGER THAN HER NOW? THE FIRST TIME HE ASKS HER TO DO SOMETHING DO THEIR DOZENS OF EYES MEET AND SHE HESITATES, JUST FOR FOR A MOMENT?

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The spirit of grammar is one the people often have difficult fully realizing :D

Hmm, okay, let's revise; I thought of others I missed. Spirit of grammar, spirit of plot, spirit of subtext, spirit of OTP(/3/4/5/everyone), spirit of angst, spirit of drama, and spirit of capslock.

I move to replace spirit of drama with spirit of squee! \o/

YES. YES. BUT SHE OF ALL ~~PEOPLE~~ ANGELS KNOWS WHAT ORDERS ARE ABOUT, SO SHE WILL DO IT. SHE OF ALL ANGELS KNOWS CASTIEL, even now. ~*Perhaps especially now.~ If only he had lost his fear sooner. If only she hadn't been so stubborn, if only he hadn't been so proud.

Seconded, and motion passed!

~*SQUEEEEEEEEEEE*~

I am worried about what happens when Sam and Dean meet the Holy Ghost. I fear there may be miscommunication. Also, I was going to suggest the Gift of Tongues. but perhaps that's Becky's gift.

Exactly! :D

ahahahaa

Years from now, angels will wear shirts with Castiel's stenciled face on it and not know what he actually stood for.

yes.

OMG like Elijah! Except with fewer chariots and whirlwinds! :O cool!

the amount I'm going to be thinking about castroiel this week is going to be incredible, considering the two 5-page papers on Cuba I have to write by Thursday. yeahhhhh!

already I have this, typed out furiously while under deadline earlier today:

true story: the Cubans who love castro, when things go wrong, they don't say he made a mistake or whatever, they say he must have a plan, he must not know what is happening, his advisors are bad at implementing policy, and bad at telling him about the problems. Fidel just doesn't know or else he'd fix it.

kiiinda like how people ask why God lets bad things happen!
IT'S ALL PART OF THE PLAN

(OR MAYBE HE JUST DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE ANGELS ARE UP TO WITH ALL THEIR SCREWING-OVER-HUMANITY APOCALYPSE BULLSHIT, EH)

!!! SHIT MAN YOU ARE IN THE PERFECT PLACE TO BE WRITING CASTROIEL FIC AREN'T YOU!?!?!?! I mean, finals aside hahahaha. OMG GOD AND ANGELS AND CASTRO AND ADVISORS. What happens when you Ctrl+F Replace your essay, is it what's going on in Heaven??

Did the characters in Happy Town have funny Minnesotan accents? Cause I always get thrown by the Minnesotan accent, especially since everyone I know doesn't actually sound like that. (Spent 18 years of my life there, and I've never once seen anyone use a crock pot. I'm looking at you, Fargo.)

I don't know what the Minnesotan accent sounds like! Does it sound Canadian? I thought sometimes a little Canadian slipped in because they are shooting up there. But maybe instead of accidental Canadian, it's purposeful Minnesotan?

IF BY PERFECT PLACE YOU MEAN MOST CONVENIENTLY LOCATED DISTRACTION VANTAGEPOINT WHY YES, YES I AM. XD you know that after that cuba final I'm gonna sit down and, like, write the story of how Cas fixes ~~Cuba~~ Heaven right. I need cuba therapy even if I'm quite healed from the spn finale trauma, heh. It will not be Ctrl+F Replace! It will be a real revolution I swear :(

Well, in the media, it's a lot of "Ooh yah, ya betcha's." Which...it can be like that. There are in fact areas that sound distressingly Canadian. And I am forever mocked for not being able to pronounce "bagel" ("Behg-le") and "vague" ("vehgue"). I'm guessing the show does a fairly decent and truthful imitation. I am just bitter. (I mean, Fargo is in NORTH DAKOTA, people!)

okay, this is exactly what i was thinking. i just thought that chuck was translated, like the other prophets, like enoch, and then everyone was all CHUCK IS GOD!!!!!! and i was super confused. idk how i feel about it now.

Ah! I had to google to see if 'translate' means here in this context what it appears to mean. Maybe fandom doesn't enough prophet lore to know this, and thus assumed Chuck was God, because that was certainly my problem. And now to wonder if this is what Kripke intended. XD

XD you know that after that cuba final I'm gonna sit down and, like, write the story of how Cas fixes Cuba Heaven right.
*HOLDS YOU TO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT* :-OOOOOOOOOOO

centralization makes me weep. no more centralization! though to all appearances heaven suffers from too much bureaucracy and intra-party politics.

also the problem with "Cas fixes CubaHeaven" is that the best piece I've read on socialist economics, on the Eastern Bloc, says that economic reform measures to make production more better-er (read: more efficient) were market-focused and therefore capitalist. ACK. it distresses me to think that the solution to socialism was capitalism. But Cuba of course did it differently; its reform measures were a mishmash of everything. Maybe that's how Cas fixes Cubaheaven, by trying to incorporate parts of all of god's creation and not just saying This is Heaven's role and it's going to be perfect by playing its role.

AND THEN HE GOES AND MAKES FRIENDS WITH THE OTHER PANTHEONS AND DOESN'T FUCK IT UP BY BEING A PREACHY BITCH. By some miracle heaven can avoid/avert the cold war, and then they can exist in peace because heaven doesn't have to deal with blockades or holy wars or poverty caused by being a self-contained production-poor socialist nation among conflicting economies.

IS MICHAEL MIAMI? YES.

okay back to diaspora

There's not a country though where the system of government or economics is purely capitalist or purely socialism. China, even with the strong communist party, has become intensely capitalist. And though France is all "WE ARE TRUE REPUBLIC", they have strong socialist tendencies. And yeah, then there is Cuba, a mishmash of everything. Haha, I wonder what parts of humanity Cas would use in his heaven, what's the amalgamation there.

OR. I like to think Cas didn't just stay on earth to look for God, but went to other dimensions and universes also. What did Cas learn from Flatland, say?

UNITED NATIONS WITH GODS SOUNDS AAAAAWWESOMMME \o/

Why is Michael Miami? :D I am curious!

This is true, economics/government are pretty much never matching up the way they say they want to, even if the form of government claims to be all about economics re: communism (which, I guess, is why we distinguish between true communism and socialism, and countries called communist are in reality socialist.)

what parts of humanity Cas would use in his heaven, what's the amalgamation there.
The Dean parts, of course :)) and hamburgers!

:DDD cross-universe god-seeking!

oh gosh, idk what I was thinking about exactly with the Michael=Miami thing XD I guess the extremist "We must fight it out! No middle ground! And I will win because I am right!" mentality. But it makes more sense for Cas to be Miami, in that he thinks heaven has departed from its true purpose and so was exiled/went into exile (part being kicked out, part choice). So in exile, Cas regroups, and after S5 returns to fix the homeland/Cuba/Heaven now that Crazy Michael (/Castro, I guess) is gone and he's no longer there to push his Crazy Apocalypse Agenda (/communist dictatorship)!

A CAMPAIGN OF FREE WILL AND HAMBURGERS. He would get all my votes. XD

Crazy Apocalypse Agenda (/communist dictatorship)!
PEACE, LAND, AND BRAINS.

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"Years from now", more like ALREADY DAMMIT

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