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Las ([personal profile] whynot) wrote2008-11-05 07:01 pm

"All Good Naysayers." Narnia. edmund, jadis, magic. G.

I have no time for Yuletide. This is something I have to keep on telling myself whenever I see that people are offering to write fic for:
A) Burnett's The Secret Garden. Colin/Mary/Dickon of my heart! I have at the moment (and for a couple of months) eight sentences of Secret Garden OT3 fic, but who the hell knows if anything will ever come of it.
& B) MONTY PYTHON RPF. HOLY SHIT. WRITE IT, SOMEONE, DO IT, OMG. Graham Chapman being an alcoholic douche! Eric Idle being sidelined during writing sessions! How horriblewonderful it was to film The Holy Grail! And maybe there is making out?!


All Good Naysayers
Narnia. Edmund (sort of), Jadis? (sort of?). Rated PG. Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] animus_wyrmis and [livejournal.com profile] bedlamsbard for the beta.
You can kill the magician but you can't kill magic.



Once upon a time, there was a land forged from hope and the tyranny of consequence. In this land, there was love and death, loss but also redemption. In many ways it was not so different from our world except, of course, in the details.

The devil is in the details; this is true across all worlds.

+

The White Witch is dead, but she isn't gone.

You can kill the magician but you can't kill magic. It is restless in the manner of souls separated from bodies, and patient in the manner of those who have all the time in the world. It dances on chill winds, leeches the gold from sunlight, and its laughter mingles with the howls of wolves. Even Cair Paravel, under the aegis of the Lion, is not completely invulnerable against it.

As warm and gentle, as bright and gay as Cair Paravel would seem to you and me, it is as abhorrent to the Witch and her magic. To us, the lights of Cair Paravel warm and illuminate. To her, they burn and blind. But we must keep in mind that, for a witch, there are worse things to face than ashes and darkness.

+

Narnians often speak of a strange thing that rages around the castle’s spires. Some say it is the wind, some say it is a ghost, some say it is the remnants of a long and bitter scream. There are those who ask is it a dark magic? for there are those who claim that on those nights, they fall prey to nightmares, fevers, and circuitous anger. It is a bad omen, they mutter to each other. There are those who still ask is it the Witch, back from the dead? But such questions are thrown to the heap during times like these, that is to say times during which every heart is open and every wine flows. Everyone is filled with the awe of recent liberation, and it tints the days with a golden sheen and a cheerful confidence that, thousands of years from now, their descendants would remember these glorious times and long for them. The Narnians count themselves lucky to be living in this day and age, and hesitate to mar it with dark thoughts – they have had enough of those already.

Besides, they assure each other, only Aslan may rise again from the dead without the help of Queen Lucy’s cordial, and the Stone Table is cracked in two.

+

King Edmund alone suspects. The chill is familiar, the voice in his dreams even more so. During such times, he is seized by strange humors, which he deflects into his sparring. Always his opponents end up bested, the king’s sword at their necks and the king himself, chest heaving and his eyes wild, ready for another go. He appears relieved when Tumnus informs him the Giants have begun to pillage again, and rides north as fast as Philip can carry him, his army at his heels and the shape of Cair Paravel receding behind him, smaller and smaller and gone. (Yet even on the battleground, bloodstained and surrounded by death, it calls to him: the memory of a promise as the wind whips around him, as the sun sinks in the sky and lengthens shadows. He cannot distinguish the screams from the buzzing of the flies.)

+

Years pass, and when the youths ask their elders what is that thing which screams in the skies above Cair Paravel? the elders smile their wise and wrinkled smiles and reply it is but the wind.

And at this, the wind (if it is, in fact, the wind) would laugh.

+

Magic is not a thing. You can kill things but it’s not so easy to kill how things work. You cannot kill magic in the same way you cannot kill hope, or beauty, or fear. They will be there long after the things they describe have turned to dust.

There is a shadow and a scream that crawls over the mountains and rakes its claws upon the ground. There is a song of revenge that is beginning to be sung by the creatures that haunt the dark places of the world.

+

The White Stag appears when the veil between the worlds is thin.

For all this talk of reading the right sort of books and knowing the right sort of stories, the Kings and Queens are strangely ignorant of this. The Stag has, after all, walked the woods beyond Camelot, guided Pwyll to the sacred hunting grounds, and brought Eustachius to his knees and to his god. But perhaps we must excuse the Kings and Queens this oversight; the present has a habit of destroying the past, and they have long forgotten the other world from where they came in order that they may rule over this one.

Although it is not given to us to know any other story but our own, one can’t help but wonder what would have happened had the Kings and Queens known that Tumnus was not entirely correct. The White Stag does not grant wishes – it is the wish. It is both messenger and message, and, like magic, is neither good nor evil. It simply is, wherever it is called and whenever a wheel needs to be turned, a door to be closed, a knot unraveled. The Stag will be here long after the stories about it have settled into the dust of time.

When one chases after it, as King Arthur and his knights did a thousand years ago in another world, the point is not to catch the beast, howsoever much you want to, howsoever much you feel you must. No one has ever caught the Stag and no one ever will. When one hunts the White Stag, one tastes the tang of magic in the air and one quickly understands: some things cannot be caught, some things cannot be killed. The difference between ‘cannot’ and ‘are not meant to’ is small in this case, is merely a detail when you consider the grander story into which it is enmeshed. But remember that the devil is in the details. This is true across all worlds.

Remember that sometimes the past takes revenge.

+

At the iron tree, Queen Susan suggests they turn back.

We have never turned back before, says the High King.

We should not turn back now, adds Queen Lucy.

Not for the richest jewel in all of Narnia, agrees King Edmund.

And as the Queen Susan furrows her pretty brow and weighs their statements, King Edmund thinks he hears the echo of ragged laughter whispering in the treetops, and frowns. It doesn’t sound like any Talking Beast he knows. His brother and sisters do not seem to have heard anything at all. King Edmund looks around him but he only sees the grayness of the forest and the long darkening shadows. That’s curious, he thinks to himself. Is it nearly evening? How long have they been hunting this Stag?

“Let us go on,” declares Queen Susan, “and take the adventure that shall fall to us.”

+

And even if the White Stag did grant wishes, the Kings and Queens ought to know better by now than to accept gifts of magic.

What you take, you must also give.

What is begun must have an end.

+

“Would that I had a thicker cloak,” Queen Lucy murmurs as they disappear into the thicket: the High King first, then Queen Susan, followed by herself and King Edmund beside her. “It is unseasonably cold.”

“It is but the wind, sister,” replies King Edmund.

He doesn’t look back. Behind him, the refrains of joyous songs rise from deep caves and roll down the frozen mountains. He doesn’t think further on how it is growing chilly for a summer afternoon, so much so that ice frosts the White Stag’s footprints and glitters in the sunlight, twinkling once, twice, before the shadows slither close and extinguish it in their embrace.
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[identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
Colin/Mary/Dickon YES PLEASE YES.

Er, on to the fic.

That was gorgeous, very cold & twisty, and I loved the suggestion that the wild magics have their own agenda when it comes to Narnia; that perhaps the return to England is a punishment -- both to the Pevensies and to the land itself -- for forgetting the deeper truths and the necessity of seasonal cycles, turning wheels. I've always loved the questions raised by that aspect of the story: the replacement of eternal winter with (figurative) eternal spring, a freedom that nevertheless restricts itself to a binary morality. And how the hints of pagan myth are woven through but never fully embraced. This draws them out beautifully.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! Awesome. I'm glad you like it!

I hope someone writes Secret Garden OT3 for Yuletide! I, on the other hand, am stuck at this: Colin prefers for Mary to push him on the swing; Dickon doesn’t respond to demands of “Higher! Higher!” – as if I am still an invalid, Colin thinks indignantly – but Mary pushes with all her might and laughs with him.

I'm tickled by Tolkien's "It really won't do, you know" response to Lewis's hodgepodge mythology, 'cos yeah, binary morality. Lewis just kind of throws a bunch of things in there and doesn't explore the consequences, all like, "Christian morals! Also here is Bacchus."

Oh man, what and where is that quote where Lewis says that the old mythologies are just practice for Christianity? Did I dream that? 'Cos actually that quote would come in handy for the paper I should be writing right now...

[identity profile] zempasuchil.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
ohhhhhh my god, that is SO pretty and creepy and beautiful! I love your style! it's rich. And that passage about the White Stag, WOW, that is my FAVORITE. Arthur! This is a wonderful rhythmic patterned line: "brought Eustachius to his knees and to his god."

[identity profile] zempasuchil.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
and "roll down the frozen mountains" - the "o" sounds! sonorous! oh, I love it!

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 08:18 am (UTC)(link)
<333!! thank yoooouuuuu! and arthur yay, totally. i'm kind of XD that you noticed the meter, 'cos i do think about that, heh.
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
oooooh.

This is creepy. But LOVELY. And I do like the Eustacius part- winding in the arthurian/welsh myths is excellent, but Eustacius really finishes it off :).

And the ending. *shivers*

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
you're the third person to call it creepy! which i fully take as a compliment. i'm glad those bits of myth worked for you, 'cos i had to google that stuff. all i knew before writing this fic was that it showed up at camelot sometimes. fic-writing: educational!

thank you! :D
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
:D Educational is also excellent... :D

No trouble!

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:32 pm (UTC)(link)
doing research for fic is one of my favorite teachers. end up learning random things like what plants grows in the US's southwestern desert and basic words in italian.
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I learnt a lot about vegetable and nut oils, courtesy of the Great Lubricant Research Experiment.... did you know lindseed oil dries hard?

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
i did not!
so... what makes a great lubricant?
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Olive oil seems to be the best bet, but you have to make sure your characters are in a position to have imported oils, since it doesn't grow in Narnia.

I suspect hemp oil would be more readily available in Narnia, but I can't get any good info on its exact consistency.

I'm assured goose-grease was in use in the middle ages; butter is also possible although you wouldn't want to put it near lady-bits.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
O_O

i know you can't judge the past but

goose grease and butter omfg

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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I dunno, nice soft butter has a pretty awesome texture... it's the resulting yeast infection that'd worry ME.

But then, I like all kinds of odd textures just for their textury-ness.
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[identity profile] bedlamsbard.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
There is also hanged-man's grease. Although I'm fairly certain they wouldn't be using that in Narnia. *blinks innocently*
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
hanged-man's grease? *eyebrow*
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[identity profile] bedlamsbard.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly what it sounds like. (Granted, I'm using Diana Gabaldon as a reference here, but she says she found it in a book, so.) Rendered fat from hanged criminals.

Not really what you want to use in a romantic type of situation, I'm thinking.
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[identity profile] ineptshieldmaid.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
No, no you don't... *sidles off*
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[identity profile] bedlamsbard.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Rendered fat from hanged criminals, of course!

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
and then the door slams and you're on the wrong side of it in only your underthings and you're like, "what? they were criminals anyway!"
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[identity profile] bedlamsbard.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
and the answer to the sixty-four thousand dollar question is, "NO RABADASH YOU AREN'T GETTING LUCKY TONIGHT." (or caspian. or MIRAZ. er.)

[identity profile] miss-morland.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
*shivers*

That was absolutely lovely - eerie, poetic and beautifully written.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
thank you! glad you liked :)
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[identity profile] bedlamsbard.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
You know this creeps me out like WHOA, but in such excellent, excellent ways. The wheel is always turning and there must be balance...

(Although. For some reason, you know what this gets me thinking on? How badly the White Witch's death and the cracking of the Stone Table messed with the Deep Magic.)

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
creepy is my favorite!

i have been on such a writing-about-magic kick!
The Street of the Enchanters is as noisy and crowded as the rest of the market. At first you would not notice anything out of the ordinary, but then you see a man with the eyes of a cat, a slave-girl who dances and yet whose feet never touch the ground, and a woman whose wings peek out when a breeze flutters her dirty cloak around her. There is a strange taste to the air that reminds Edmund of the hookah smoke from the first day.


i'm a fan of the theory that jadis = lady of the green kirtle. like how gandalf the grey becomes the white, maybe. or maybe they're not EXACTLY the same woman, but it's not like it matters in the end because they're both creatures moved by magic.
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[identity profile] bedlamsbard.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooooh. Magic is awesome; I think I want more magic in Dust.

There is a lot of talk in SC about how the Lady of the Green Kirtle is of the same breed as the White Witch. "Those Northern witches always want the same thing, but in every age they have a different plan for getting it."

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
there is magic in Dust! we just haven't used it yet. the stars' magic (which is less magic and more just being in tune with the universe), the trickster's wineflask. maybe it's not wine in that flask. in johnny maxwell, there was a person who kept plastic bags full of time. things like that. and the tricksters' marks on their bodies! what's up with that? and WTF SIDHE?

AND MAYBE. when they use magic it breaks down more and more and goes awry because the Deep Magic is come undone (perfect for plot devices!) and it's making all magic go wonky. a statement on how all humanity needs is humanity??
"but it's not like," peter says, "that you can completely trust humanity either."
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[identity profile] bedlamsbard.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Dust, not Sing the Sun! Wrong LB AU. *grin* There is magic all over the place in Sun, what with, you know, the gods popping by to say, "HI KIDS BOY ARE WE GOING TO HAVE FUN TODAY."

susan's laugh is bitter. "what can we trust, then?"

lucy is conspiciously silent, but it's edmund who answers. "each other," he says.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
lololz! i am UP TO MY KNEES in lb aus. the one i am working on is pretty much peter/edmund in that subtextual way we know so well. i dno't think i've ever written peter/edmund that isn't commentfic, so, it's fun.

[identity profile] penguingeek.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
This is beautiful; I like the mysteriousness of it and Edmund's wariness and awareness of the Witch's lingering presence. Added to mems. :)

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
thank you! <3

[identity profile] orange-yarn.livejournal.com 2008-11-10 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, this was wonderful -- very chilling!

(And Colin/Mary/Dickon! This I need to see.)

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-11-10 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
thank you!

and there totally totally needs to be more colin/mary/dickon fic in the world!

[identity profile] magic-at-mungos.livejournal.com 2008-12-21 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
*shudders* I like how it affects Edmund differently because of the the Turkish Delight incident.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2008-12-21 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Edmund knows what's up. :)
Oh Ed, and his hauntedness.

[identity profile] animus-wyrmis.livejournal.com 2010-02-27 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Sooo I just reread this and LASS OMG IT IS SO PRETTY and so creepy. Basically I am FULL OF LOVE for it, and for Edmund (Edmund!) and Susan and Lucy and Peter, and also for the GOlden Age in general, and the MAGIC, Lass, it is wonderful and alien and powerful and the imagery is AWESOME. A++++++

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-02-28 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE OH WYRM <333333333333333 MERCI MA CHERIE

[identity profile] lizzie-marie-23.livejournal.com 2010-05-29 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
This is really beautiful and captures the Wild Magic really well, or at least the revenge it takes for them forgetting.

I love the parts about not being able to kill magic or hope, the same way they can't catch the White Stag. They will be there long after the things they describe have turned to dust. YES! So true!
And the stories about the magic changes depending on who's doing the telling, and Edmund who is the only one who can come close to understanding, but even he goes with them at the end.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-06-01 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! <3 The relationship between Edmund and Jadis is very interesting to me, the way they've marked each other. And magic is always fun to talk about XD, all the meanings one can glean from it.