They must still exist, because ghosts seem to go On after they get de-ghosted, so...presumably also demons! I mean, if it is impossible to completely kill of a human LIKE I BELIEVE IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO IT TO AN ANGEL OR A DEMON.
Ruby is in the other world! Beyond! You get to it through a gate of ivory or one of horn! Getting down there is easy, it is coming back out that's the difficult part!
Ruby's reveal made me go OMFG YOU ARE SO SHITTING ME. They have built to it NOT AT ALL. Ruby never lied, she never gave us any reason for her to be all pro-Lucifer and pro-apocalypse, her demon blood drug thing was creepy but didn't seem to be doing any harm until SUDDENLY Sam goes all ridiculous and she goes all evil and then MONOLOGUES OVER IT ALL WTF.
AND I thought it dropped the whole "sometimes the monsters are not monsters" plot LIKE A ROCK. It would be like if in HP7 Rowling was like "Psych! Harry was right all along in his belief that Snape was evil!" Um, Dean, MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP BEING SUCH A BRAT. (I have been told this will get pulled up again with Crowley, with different results? OH GREAT, ANOTHER WHITE GUY, I AM GLAD WE HAVE A WHITE GUY ON THE SIDE OF GOOD.)
My theory, though, is that this was not pro-apocalypse at all. Ruby has her own agenda! She wants to be queen of hell! Who is above her?! Lilith and Lucifer. But she couldn't take out Lucifer while he was locked up, so she kills Lilith and lets him out and quickly monologues her evil: "I am THE EVILEST, my lord! You should totally trust me! I am the Bellatrix to your Voldemort! No one knew I was totally loyal except Lilith, who is conveniently dead so you can't check, so there is no reason to listen to lies about my actually being the Snape to your Voldemort! SO EVIL. SO, SO EVIL."
But that is probably not canon :(, and I totally agree that this is just like Bela. "Here, we killed these ladies so our leads could go have their stories, but have like five seconds of backstory. Oh, and they're both only doing what they do 'cause of a man. What, you don't think that's totally feminist?!" And, okay, she won, but that makes how many ladies in this show who win by...dying for the guys in their lives? Mary, Ellen, Jo, Lilith, Ruby...
:(((( I WANT RUBY TO HAVE A HAPPILY EVER AFTER. I WANT HER TO BE THE CROWLEY TO ANNA'S AZIRAPHALE.
Re: my reaction to the last couple episodes of S4
Ruby is in the other world! Beyond! You get to it through a gate of ivory or one of horn! Getting down there is easy, it is coming back out that's the difficult part!
Ruby's reveal made me go OMFG YOU ARE SO SHITTING ME. They have built to it NOT AT ALL. Ruby never lied, she never gave us any reason for her to be all pro-Lucifer and pro-apocalypse, her demon blood drug thing was creepy but didn't seem to be doing any harm until SUDDENLY Sam goes all ridiculous and she goes all evil and then MONOLOGUES OVER IT ALL WTF.
AND I thought it dropped the whole "sometimes the monsters are not monsters" plot LIKE A ROCK. It would be like if in HP7 Rowling was like "Psych! Harry was right all along in his belief that Snape was evil!" Um, Dean, MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP BEING SUCH A BRAT. (I have been told this will get pulled up again with Crowley, with different results? OH GREAT, ANOTHER WHITE GUY, I AM GLAD WE HAVE A WHITE GUY ON THE SIDE OF GOOD.)
My theory, though, is that this was not pro-apocalypse at all. Ruby has her own agenda! She wants to be queen of hell! Who is above her?! Lilith and Lucifer. But she couldn't take out Lucifer while he was locked up, so she kills Lilith and lets him out and quickly monologues her evil: "I am THE EVILEST, my lord! You should totally trust me! I am the Bellatrix to your Voldemort! No one knew I was totally loyal except Lilith, who is conveniently dead so you can't check, so there is no reason to listen to lies about my actually being the Snape to your Voldemort! SO EVIL. SO, SO EVIL."
But that is probably not canon :(, and I totally agree that this is just like Bela. "Here, we killed these ladies so our leads could go have their stories, but have like five seconds of backstory. Oh, and they're both only doing what they do 'cause of a man. What, you don't think that's totally feminist?!" And, okay, she won, but that makes how many ladies in this show who win by...dying for the guys in their lives? Mary, Ellen, Jo, Lilith, Ruby...
:(((( I WANT RUBY TO HAVE A HAPPILY EVER AFTER. I WANT HER TO BE THE CROWLEY TO ANNA'S AZIRAPHALE.