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PILOT: LOL WAT IS DIS MOOSIC. The music is the only difference as far as I can tell. How does this work, was this meant to be any kind of final draft at all, or was the music just a slapdash placemarker for less lolzy music to be put in later? Sam's walking Dean to the car after he breaks into the apartment, and there are ~ORCHESTRAL STRINGS in the background. Sam and Jess make out to "Boulevard of Broken Dreams", and the young man picks up the white lady to "99 Problems". CUTE, GUYS. Speaking of which, how YOUNG they look! Dean's eyes were like superbig.

MOST INTERESTING THOUGH, is when Sam is at that Halloween party in the beginning, and his friend said something like, "Why doesn't your family know about your pre-law successes?" and Sam replied, "Because, we're not exactly the Bradys."

:-O There he is! There's Brady! And his apparently close-knit family! What, he's totally one of those dudes that goes by his last name. Speaking of demonic possession, right:

THE RAPTURE: Was Amelia already possessed by the time they left the house?! WHEN DID SHE GET POSSESSED. WAS IT BEFORE AFTER HER GOODBYE HEARTBREAK WITH JIMMY? It's gotta be before, right, because soon after the men left, she was whaling on Claire. So AMELIA NEVER REALLY GOT TO SAY GOODBYE AT ALL. The entire time in the car, the demon was laughing at her. Her mouth is saying "I'm not going anywhere without you, Jimmy" and the demon is saying how she'll kill him nice and slow, Claire too, and asks Amelia if she knows just how much blood there is in a human body, if she'd like to see. ARGH. FOR A YEAR NOW, Amelia has been trying to get her life back on track, A YEAR, and then Jimmy comes back and holy shit and then HOLY SHIT, and the next thing she knows her husband is dying. The next thing she knows, her husband is no longer her husband and walking out of her life all over again. fjdslfsd FUCK. NOVAKS. ARGH. CAS, YOU GIANT DOUCHE. NO CLOSURE FOR ANYONE EVERRRRRRR.

Jimmy's "Can I see her?" will never not break me. ;___;

Does that mean it's... maybe it's time, maybe it's time for a mini-picspam of the collateral damage we call the Novaks?

Assume that after each picture is five lines of keysmash from me.

D: #1 -- THE HUG

D: #2 -- CLAIRE USING THE COAT FOR A BLANKET

D: #3 -- POST-DEMONIC SHOWDOWN MOTHER(??)-DAUGHTER MOMENT

D: #4 -- "WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET TO IT."

D: #5 -- "TAKE CARE OF YOUR MOM."

D: #6 -- TTYL, d00dz!

D: #7 -- Castiel has no time for little girls doubled over in shock.

D: #8 -- THE NEXT THING SHE KNOWS

Okay off to do stuff for real this time.

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Jimmy kissing the top of his daughter's head will never not break my heart.

Oh, God.

If I didn't have twelve thousand fics I needed to write already, I would totally do something about the Novaks.

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Edited 2010-06-08 01:09 (UTC)

Jimmy kissing the top of his daughter's head will never not break my heart.
GOD, IKR. Now every time I need a good cry, I can stare at picture 1D until my heart reflects his face.

Absolutely.

"Here, Misha, have this blunt knife. Now please STAB ME IN THE CHEST WITH IT."

Guh.

SADJFALSDFNSLDVKAWOERJSFD RAPTURE. MISHA COLLINS BROKE MY HEART INTO A MILLION PIECES IN THAT EPISODE. AND THE GIRL WHO PLAYED CLAIRE WAS FANTASTIC. THAT POOR BABY. I CAN'T BELIEVE CASTIEL WOULD POSSESS HER. WHAT A GIANT DOUCHE.

(BRB CRYING.)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUGH MY GUTS ON THE FLOOR. MY GUTS ALL OVER THE FLOOR.

Hey, guess what I do when I want to TORTURE MYSELF WITH THE ECSTASY OF TRAGEDY AND ALSO CRY LIKE A CHILD? Watch 4x20. Again.

I always figured that Amelia was possessed pretty much right after the whole killing-your-neighbors incident. There's a pause when they're getting in the car and Dean asks "Where's your wife?" and she runs up from somewhere. Somewhere WHERE SHE GOT POSSESSED.

AUGH the spiritual trauma of your husband and daughter being angelic vessels to some douche angel who ruins your life, and YOU'RE THE ONE WITH A DEMON INSIDE YOU. Nobody ever explains to Amelia how it works. Jimmy tells her that Castiel said he's special, it's in his blood. She's probably gonna live her whole life now thinking it's in her blood to be a demon-host who SHOOTS PEOPLE AND CRACKS WISE ABOUT IT.

OTHER THING THAT KILLS ME: Cas was, by all reports, getting the fear of God beat back into him for most of this. He goes straight from that, directly from that, to telling Jimmy that Of course we keep our promises. Of course you have our gratitude.

I LOSE MY SHIT AT THAT POINT, FRANKLY. On behalf of EVERYONE IN THAT ENTIRE SCENE, I lose my shit. Cas who knows exactly what that gratitude looks like, what it's worth. Jimmy who can barely remember thinking this would be worth it, a grand adventure, a giving over for the sake of every soul in the world, a sacrifice worth making. Right up until there's something behind his little girl's eyes and his wife shot him through the stomach and the first time he can feel his body in nearly a year all he feels is blood pumping out through his fingers.

Oh and hey how Dean, because of everything, of Sam, of this horrifying tableau all around him, does nothing. Stands there. Slackjawed. Because this is what it would be like if they followed up with every single family of every single possessed person they ever saw, spoke to, shot, stabbed, exorcised, anything. This is what the trail they leave behind looks like.

Edited 2010-06-08 01:51 (UTC)

GOD, SREIOUSLY. And the more I think about the parallels between vessel consent and sexual consent, I am D: even more. NOVAKS, my favorite one-off characters to be overinvested in AND ESPECIALLY CLAAAAAAIIIRE.

+ I try not to think too hard about the parallels between vessel consent and sexual consent, because Show already enrages my feminism pretty much on a weekly basis (not that sexual consent is an exclusively feminist issue, but, you know, it might as well be). And the worst thing is, I can't even totally blame Kripke for it! He keeps trying to introduce female characters and everyone keeps hating on them! WHY DO YOU HATE JO, FANDOM, WHY? SHE IS SO COOL. For some reason, Supernatural just brings out the worst of our internalized misogyny and I don't even understand why.

+ But, getting back to the sexual consent thing, I would be eternally grateful if they did an episode exploring that comparison in a really uncomfortable way. (And really there is no reason why they shouldn't, because if this season's epic meta nonsense proved anything, it was that the fans are insane and will actually watch anything they do.)

+ CLAIRE. I have so many ideas for how she should come back in fic. Like maybe after Cas goes back to Heaven in the finale, Jimmy is able to go home? OR! After Cas has returned from shenanigans in Heaven, he finds out that Claire is in danger, because the demons are looking for all the vessels to take them apart and see how they work? And Cas feels like he owes it to Jimmy to make sure he's safe, so he calls the ~~Ghostfacers~~ Winchesters and the three of them go to collect her and then they don't know what to do with her, so she spends a few weeks driving around in the car with them? And she has this really weird, complicated relationship with Castiel, because he looks like her dad but he isn't and also she knows who he really is because he TOOK OVER HER MIND that one time, and he feels bad about totally fucking her life, so he is all gruff and awkward? And then eventually they ditch her at Bobby's, and he becomes her sort of surrogate dad, because I have this theory that Bobby would be an awesome father, especially to a girl, because he loves the boys, but he would absolutely dote on a daughter.

/random plot bunny

OH YEAH THE PAUSE. Shiiiiit THE LAST REAL THING SHE DID WITH HIM WAS REALIZE THAT HE WAS HORRIBLY RIGHT AND GET HER ASS KICKED. CAN YOU IMAGINE, her husband's downward spiral into ~CRAZY and then these heavenly interruptions with such perfect timing as to leave you with the sharpest regret and fear. No explanation, just sudden absence.

Jimmy may have told her to get to Carl and Sally's, but you gotta figure that Amelia believes there's no safe harbor now, since the demon now knows who Carl and Sally are. WHERE IS SHE AND CLAIRE GONNA GO? In a way it only makes sense that she would have Team Free Will's phone numbers and is in contact with them. She is the WIFE OF THEIR ANGEL'S VESSEL AFTER ALL rrrrgggghhhhhjfdshfks CAN CAS NOT SPARE ONE OF HIS THOUSAND EYES TO WATCH OVER THEMMMM? What a trip that would be, hearing your husband's voice twisted over the phone, giving you all sorts of strange instructions and advice. He zaps to where you are and teaches you the Enochian sigils you'll need to protect you and Claire, and Jimmy has always been terrible at languages.

She can't have gone to Carl and Sally's, she can't lead the demons there. WHERE DID SHE GO. MAYBE THE ROADHOUSE. Ellen and Amelia doing tequila shots, and Jo gains a strange creature called a little sister, whom she teaches to shoot guns.

This is what the trail they leave behind looks like.
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NOVAKKKKKKKS. OMG CLAIRE. GAH.

SO HERE'S MY QUESTION - WHEN WAS CLAIRE ANGELIFIED? I think that the moment we see that Amelia is possessed, when she slaps Claire, I sort of think that at that moment Cas is already there. But I dunno. It could be not til she's in the chair. CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAIRE. She always prayed to her guardian angel and then he was there and he saved her Daddy but then he took him away agaaaaaain! And then she and Amelia spend the Apocalypse up in Canada, and when they come back she goes off to college (I dunno how many years in the interim, I've no clue how old she is) and she ends up dropping out to go be a hunter, and eventually she runs into Dean (this is when Ben goes to join her because Claire/Ben, hunters of win is FAB) and finds out that her dad is well and truly gone and the POOR BABY I LOVE HER SO MUCH.

I'm just gonna go sob over these pictures.

I'm glad I was not in fandom when I was consuming the bulk of my SPN for the first time. Apparently ppl hate the Ghostfacers and the Real Ghostbusters episode? How sadface!

I would be eternally grateful if they did an episode exploring that comparison in a really uncomfortable way.
Oh god, me too. As much as I love the idea of Claire!Cas, I think that story would only be enriched by an acknowledgment if not an exploration of just how skeevy that is. Consent is such a scarily slippery idea, not just sexually, but say for like participation in psychological/medical experiments or something. If you're about to die and your family is in danger, and you say yes out of desperation, what kind of consent is that?

I LIKE THAT PLOT BUNNY A LOT. Bobby and Claire would really sweet, omg. DID YOU KNOW THAT CLAIRE&CAS INTERACTION IS LIKE MY NEW FAVORITE THING?? godddd

"Why doesn't your family know about your pre-law successes?" and Sam replied, "Because, we're not exactly the Bradys."

I have the feeling Kripke originally threw that in as a Brady Bunch reference and then later was all "Hey, you know what would be a cool idea? If Sam's best buddy in college was a demon too! Now what should we call him?" And cue light-bulb.

AMELIA NEVER REALLY GOT TO SAY GOODBYE AT ALL.

Oh man, I mean I know that happened but jeez, I just never really thought about how horrible that must have been for her. I guess I was so wrapped up in Jimmy/Castiel's story that Amelia didn't get all that much of my attention. I really want to see her and Claire again now. I hope we'll get to see how they weathered the apocalypse when everything else around them started turning upside down.

Maybe Claire started obsessively following the news reports- hurricanes, flash fires, mass murders, entire town populations vanishing over night- she'd pore over it all, searching between the inky lines and flipping channels for some sign, some hidden message from her father. Not that she expected to see him (see it) standing in a crowd behind a Fox 5 news reporter. She wasn't that silly, no way would it be that obvious, but she knew eventually there would be something. A sign that would help explain his empty chair at the dinner table every night and the muffled sound of her mother crying in her sleep. Claire didn't know what it would be exactly but she knew what it would tell her: that things are going to start getting better now. That it was worth something. And she knew it was up to her to recognize it when it happened.... Only it never did.

there's something behind his little girl's eyes and his wife shot him through the stomach and the first time he can feel his body in nearly a year all he feels is blood pumping out through his fingers.

OMG, THAT. THAT exactly! I just about handed Kripke the knife to cut my heart out at that point.

Because this is what it would be like if they followed up with every single family of every single possessed person they ever saw, spoke to, shot, stabbed, exorcised, anything. This is what the trail they leave behind looks like.

I can't believe I never thought about it that way before but you're absolutely right. Gah, i have to go re-watch that episode now.

What a trip that would be, hearing your husband's voice twisted over the phone, giving you all sorts of strange instructions and advice. He zaps to where you are and teaches you the Enochian sigils you'll need to protect you and Claire, and Jimmy has always been terrible at languages.

You pretty much HAVE to write that now. It's practically a law of nature.

I always thought Cas possessed her after that, like when Claire was passed out. She was passed out when she was tied up in that chair, and I figure Cas just wandered into her dreams and talked to her there. One hell of a conversation that must have been.

I LOOOOOOVE CLAIRE GROWING UP TO BE A HUNTER. I LOVE IT. AND HUNTERSTOGETHER!CLAIRE/BEN IS ANOTHER FAVORITE but especially when also put together with Jesse the Antichrist. Together they are Team Free Will: The Next Generation, and omg look it's my new OT3. Dean and Sam are like the Bobby figures. XD

My God, yes. And Claire is the one least likely to listen to them, because she has huge daddy issues, of course. And Ben doesn't get it, because even as he grows out of worshipful-kid phase, he still totally worships Dean. And JESSE, goodness, that kid broke me. They all three did, really. I HAVE NEVER OTANYTHINGED UNTIL LJ FANDOM. AND NOW I AM ALL ATWITTER OVER THESE KIDS AND THEIR HUNTER LOVE OF AWESOMENESS.

You have me rewatching The Rapture now, and GOD. Misha Collins is my freaking hero. I love him SO MUCH, this episode is amazing, and I'm crying preemptively over the Novaks.

A BRADY BUNCH REFERENCE. Ahahaha of course. Okay NOW I FEEL DUMB. Pop culture fail, self. ahahahaBUTITCANSTILLWORK!??

A sign that would help explain his empty chair at the dinner table every night
Yes this! OMG I VERY MUCH AGREE WITH CLAIRE LOOKING FOR ANGEL PHENOMENA IN DISASTER STORIES. Bolster that with angel lore research and omg Claire. Starts asking questions about angels to their pastor, but they're some pretty weird questions... Gotta wonder how well little Claire Novak has been coping ever since her father ran off... Religion becomes less about faith and more a practical thing that might get her father back.

Your pics made me remember

roque_clasique's Restore and now I feel like crying all over again.

Out of TFW:TNG, Ben has lost the least out of all of them. Both Claire and Jesse lost their families one way or another to the apocalypse, but the apocalypse gave Ben a father figure for a while, and even when Dean left to go hunt rogue angels/demons with Sam and Cas again, he remained a friend.

Watching The Rapture was supposed to be just research for this Amelia fic I'm writing but I should've known I would also get distractingly heartbroken over it geeeeeeez.

THAT FIC. God, Claire&Cas interaction is my new favorite to think about because maaaaannnnn the baggage on either side, the shifting identities, the interpretation of promises, the loyalties with nowhere to go. Claire and Cas are both lost children, in their way.

"I am not your father." (sorry, this is just where I'm at right now, so that's where the comment's starting) - and then Claire goes inside and asks Amelia (AMELIA FIC I WANT!) why Daddy said that, and ooooooh, poor poor Novak women.

God, what Amelia must have gone through when Jimmy just up and disappeared.

AND JIMMY JUST WANTS TO COME HOME AGAIIIIIN.
LET'S START WITH DINNER. AND A HUG. And no grace.

gah, okay, I need to stop before I liveblog all over this comment. (HI, BABY. OH JIMMY YOU GOOD DAD YOU.)

Amelia fic. I am very very very excited for this.

Oh god it's like Skywalkers turned on its head hahahaha.

God, what Amelia must have gone through when Jimmy just up and disappeared.
This is basically the summary of my fic. Right now it's just mountains of angst, so. I'm writing it for an exchange thing so you won't see it until the end of the summer hahaha.

I think an even better question is how has Amelia's relationship with God/religion changed since Jimmie left and her possession. I can only imagine a LOT of anger building inside of her and maybe eventually Claire as well.

I don't really see Claire taking the Jo route and getting into hunting as a way of being closer to her father and the choices he made. I think she'd be really disillusioned and bitter about what happened to her family- how her father was used and her mother broken. I could see her being more like Mary and just desperate to forget it all and be normal again. But she's too smart not to do research and try to protect herself from it.

But maybe she can't just walk away when people around her are getting hurt and she knows what's out there... and how to kill it.

Yeah, I could dig that.

OMG LIKE MARY. She tries to run but she gets sucked back in. :(((

Yeah, the Novaks' faith in general, how that evolves. Because having faith seems kind of redundant once you've met angels face to face, and it turns out the angels are kind of assholes who ruin your family. The abstraction necessary to maintain worship is broken, and the divine is made too human. The Bible is now not a source of comfort, but maybe more akin to a manual or a telephone book.

or a telephone book

Exactly that! and for such a previously spiritual family, what do you turn to when you don't have that anymore? When the thing that's supposed to protect you turns around and destroys what you love most? The possibilities for angst!fic are never ending- and I personally, am completely okay with that.

Especially if it's peppered with harsh love and brotherly Ben moments where he forces Claire to face the fact that she likes hunting and making a difference, even if it's just for one person.

YEEEAAAHH like the pilot where Ben barges into Claire's life and convinces her it's the right thing to do. And it's not that Claire doesn't want to fight, it's that there are other ways to fight than being a hunter. And she has all this research she's behind on. But someone has to keep Ben out of trouble.

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