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Las ([personal profile] whynot) wrote2010-04-14 05:11 pm

i brake for thesis

1. Is 2010 like the year of the earthquake? There was another one in western China's Qinghai province this morning, seven on the richter and so far at least 600 dead. The Huffington Post has links to how you can help. Fandom, are we gonna have ourselves a help_china?

2. How about the AU where Cas and Anna are hunters together, and the Winchesters are angels. Uriel is the Bobby. What the hell would their last names be? The emotional/plot notes can't be the same as SPN. Anna is the older sister who wants out of this life, running away not to go to college, but to a simple life working some simple job. Younger bro Cas tracks her down when... something happens. Or maybe it's something else that compels her to go back to the life, because Anna in canon is never forced into anything. Canonically, she chose to fall, then she chose to be an angel again. So maybe something happens to Cas, and Anna is the one who pursues him. They reconnect, sort of. That is the pilot episode.

Mostly I just want to write about Cas and Anna on a road trip, patching each other up, fighting about their dad, Cas resenting Anna's aloofness, and Anna pitying his frustration. Recounting memories of their childhood and how much things have changed, but sometimes when Anna is the last one to fall asleep, she stares at the ceiling and listens to her brother's breathing in the next bed and it feels like being fourteen again, shacked up in another shitty motel room and waiting for Dad to come home. It's like that with Cas, she finds: being with her brother sometimes feels like time standing still.

I have no idea what the plot is, since Cas and Anna are emotionally so different from Dean and Sam. Anna is not so blindly self-sacrificing, and she probably has to end up pulling Cas back from a lot of stupid decisions. She always tell her little brother he has to think, man, think for yourself. "I'm not always going to be around to boss you around," Anna says, and she's smiling this crooked smile, and it feels like a little too much foreshadowing for Cas.

Mostly I want to rewrite 4.01 where Cas is all, "WHO ARE YOU," and Dean is like, "Dude, I'm the one who pulled you out of the fucking pit. Some thanks I get." Mostly I wanna rewrite 4.02 where Dean gets all in Cas's face in the end, all like, "Look, pal," etc. And omg, 4.16? 4.22? 5.04? jflksjdl.

But would this AU even naturally lead to canon S4? I don't know if Cas would summon a crossroad demon to bring Anna back from the dead. Maybe he'd do it for his dad, though. Maybe Cas goes to hell to get his dad back and Anna says DON'T DO THAT ARE YOU CRAZY, but yes, sometimes Cas is crazy, and something goes wrong and he gets stuck downstairs. Anna staunchly goes through every lore she knows trying to trick hell into giving her her brother back. Nothing works. Dean pulls Cas out of hell, but WHY? (Plus, Cas probably got all, "You should've saved my dad, not me," at Dean.)

And where does Sam come in? Maybe Sam is the Anna, and when he chose to fall, Dean spent years secretly looking for him on earth.

Aaaand that's all I got. I dunno, anyone wanna ramble it out with me in comments? Everyone should have a hunter AU. Mulder and Scully should be hunters. Gaga and Beyonce should be hunters. Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse should be hunters.

3. Meme time! Similar to the concept of [livejournal.com profile] firstlines1000, give me the first line and I'll reply with it as the first line of a ficlet/drabble thingie. Fandoms: Supernatural, Supernatural RPF, Fight Club, The Office, Parks & Recreation, classic Disney/WB cartoons, X-Files, Boondock Saints, Leverage, random anthropomorphism.

[identity profile] hiza-chan.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, oh wow. I would just like to say that I am so glad you brought up Balthamos and Baruch. I haven't even thought about them in forever, but that parallel is way too cute. Damn, now I wanna read The Amber Spyglass again.

Also, as for Sam having to look for his grace. I'm... not entirely sure why he'd have to since we aren't looking at the Lucifer/Michael plotline. Maybe Cas and Anna found Sam the way that Dean and Sam found Anna... in a mental institution for hearing voices. And they knew about the existence of angels, but didn't really CONNECT it with this kid until they were already investigating. And then maybe Dean showed up and they had that WONDERFUL moment that you described above and Dean insists that Sam needs to find his grace. ...Because Sam Winchester must die. Blarrgh, I'm talking myself in circles now. Hope that bit helped anyway.

And hell, I wish I could have shipped Sam/Anna in canon. I'd have preferred that to her stint with Dean. ...But then again, Sam was with Ruby at the time and I may be the only person ever but up until the BIG REVEAL I loved Ruby and I loved her and Sam's relationship. It was cute in an extremely dysfunctional way, but maybe I'm just weird like that. And Sam popping up in the backseat while Cas and Anna are driving is WIN.

Also. I prefer the parallel to the angel creation story. It would make loads more sense. I mean, can you just imagine baby!Cas and little!Anna running around the roadhouse? It would be cute as puppies.

...And I'm still having little luck as to why their dad was in hell. I almost wanna go grab a bible or something, cause I just know there's something in there that you could base it off of. And is Jesus even acknowledged in Supernatural? Like ever? I suppose Kripke could be basing the whole God plotline off the Old Testament, but it's thrown me off that there's never been anything said about it. The idea of God being a human (their dad!) in this plotline is totally confusing me. Cause I can't say I've ever really thought about what God as a human would do for his kids. I mean, do you think he'd sell his soul so Cas/Anna could live? In my head he's similar to John, but I dunno. I think the entire time Cas would be in that coma, about to die, Anna would completely blame him. But the question is, would he really strike up the deal in the basement? And you know that if he DID Cas would feel guilty and that would segue into Cas trying to pull him out and instead getting yanked out by Dean instead.

That might work? But again, God = human is confusing. Maybe I'll just treat him like John in my head and it'll be easier.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I love Philip Pullman's trilogy so muuuuch. Lyra has the best and most believable emotional development of a YA lit character I've seen in ages.

Sam needs to find his grace. ...Because Sam Winchester must die.
lol yes. Not dying is totally a good enough reason to find his grace. Probably Sam and Dean argue a little about it because Sam doesn't want to be an angel again, he'd rather die or something, but Dean says, "Sam, you have to, you stupid son of a bitch," all fierce and stuff, "Please, Sam," all desperate and pleading, and in the end, Sam will do it for Dean. And in the moment Sam gets his grace back, the world goes white and blinding for mortals, but Dean cannot look away from the brightness of his brother, stricken by relieved recognition, by hope, by love. All the times Dean never let himself think he'd never find Sam again, all the times Dean thought about never having Sam by his side the same way again, even after finding him, because Sam chose to be human. But here he is, here is the Sam Dean knew, the Sam Dean will always know, the angel and ally and brother, full of grace and glory and power. Sam makes eye contact with Dean for a brief moment, and Dean can't quite tell if Sam looks shocked or happy or frightened, Sam's just all wide eyes and celestial radiance. And by the time the light fades from the room, by the time the humans can open their eyes, Sam is gone.

And for a few seconds Dean just gives himself over to his vessel, breathing in and out, breathing deep. Loss and numbness translated by the human body into coldness in his chest and a weight in his belly.

He feels a hand on his shoulder and Dean looks up, and it's Cas, giving him a look that asks no questions but offers something soft and gentle. That snaps Dean out of it. Dean straightens his shoulders, straightens his face; he is a gun cocked.

"You have to get out of here," Dean says, so Cas gathers Anna in his arms, trying to be careful with the broken bones but she whimpers anyway.

"Where are we going?" Cas asks.

"You guys are going to Uriel's."

Cas raises his eyebrows. "And you--"

"I'm going to find my brother," says Dean. "The angels are hunting him, Cas, like he's some monster. My brother is not a monster."

"Dean--"

He touches two fingers to Cas's forehead, and Cas and Anna are gone.

Dean spreads his wings.


I still love Ruby. Her story could easily be told in a way that was sympathetic. Narrative imperative prevented this, sure. Well, sympathetic not as in "I understand wanting to destroy the world" but sympathetic as in "I understand devotion and love and faith to my prophet".

Maybe John doesn't end up in hell after all, so maybe Dean ends up saving Cas from something else. I hope this doesn't mean I have to lose my Orpheus parallel. Gahhhh, I like the hell thing! Maybe I should look into Nietzsche for inspiration, lol.

would he really strike up the deal in the basement?
That's the thing. What on EARTH would God ever sacrifice himself for? lol maybe he gives to the world his only begotten son? But then He changes his mind last minute. But WHY would John give Cas up in the first place?

Maybe I should move some of the emotional centerstage to angel!Winchesters after all, and figure out how Dean's search for Sam incorporates Cas and Anna.

[identity profile] hiza-chan.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe I should move some of the emotional centerstage to angel!Winchesters after all, and figure out how Dean's search for Sam incorporates Cas and Anna.

Ya. As much as I love the idea of Cas and Anna as hunters, and Dean pulling Cas out of hell, that may work better. It seems to be a bit easier getting a handle on the angel!Winchester's plotline than the Dean raised Cas from Hell bit. Buuuuuuut I like the hell thing toooooo. It's just so interesting! There are just too many whys. Maybe if you just cleverly didn't acknowledge why Cas was in hell at all and just left it out? Some writers can do that pretty well without taking away from the story, but I mean that may not work so well with this.

Also. That scene. I like it. Lots. ♥

lol my outline is too lone. pt 1

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

lol oh Winchesters and how they TAKE OVER EVERYTHING. So, plot: the fic can start with Dean and Sam hanging out in their heavenly garrison, battling demons and singing hosannahs or whatever. They start to fall in deep like, and start having discussions/arguments about feelings and free will. This culminates in Sam ripping out his grace, and Dean - to his vague horror - is not entirely unsurprised. The order goes out to all angels in heaven that Sam must die, and what can Dean do but obey, so he searches for Sam on earth along with all the other angels, wanting to find Sam and not wanting to find him. After some time, Dean convinces the angels that this search is a waste of time, and they all have better things to do. Then there can be scenes of Dean purposely taking assignments that are close to where he thinks Sam is, or just kind of flying around looking for Sam the way Cas looked for god.

One day, heaven says they may have knowledge of where Sam is, somewhere in southern US; the hunt will be picked up again. If angels had blood, Dean's would run cold. Dean hurtles towards earth, wanting to beat the angels to Sam. He still can't find Sam, because before Sam fell, he made damn sure that he covered his tracks. Fucking frustrating. (Maybe as human!Sam grows up, he is having creepy dreams of his previous angelic life, disturbing the angelic force? That's how the angels pick up on it?) Dean's gonna need to take on a vessel and find Sam using human means.

AND. Dean's vessel? Is a mild-mannered guy from Texas who likes to sing country songs on his acoustic guitar. Of course I won't state outright that it's Jensen Ackles or even give the vessel a name, but I will totally imply it. And this is where Cas and Anna come in! Hunters who know how to find people. Dean needs their help.

At first Cas and Anna are skeptical and just try to kill Dean, but then Dean rescues Cas or Anna from perdition during their next hunt and says, "You OWE me one," and then in a softer tone, "I just wanna find my brother." And Cas and Anna exchange a look, one of discomfort but also of resonance; they can relate to that.

I wonder who is the big bad angel who leads the hunt for Sam. Also I was looking up angel names, and Dean could probz be Diniel, the angel of children. As for Sam... huh not Samuel, and def not Samael... There is a Samandiriel, and a Samkiel. But I suppose I can just pull angel names out of my ass and no one would really care...? Have you ever read that other human!Cas/angel!Dean fic? Dean was also Diniel and Sam was Samaqiel. I kinda wanna just yoink Samaqiel, it has a nice ring to it.

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Re: lol my outline is too lone. pt 1

[personal profile] alexseanchai 2010-04-15 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] ljs_lj has a fic series where Dean and Sam are nephilim, and their angelic names are Ediniel and Samuriel. I'm fairly certain those names are invented, though. (And after Googling: Nope. Real-people names, at least according to Facebook. But somebody's Rule 34ed Sam/Uriel.) The series has been Jossed to hell and gone but I adore it to pieces anyway.

...huh. Samaqiel is apparently real: "Samaqiel is the angel of Capricorn and helps Archangel Anael look after people born under this sign."

If you're gonna make shit up, find a Hebrew dictionary. Mone'a-mimeni-la'asot-l'astmi-fadichot-bareshetiel (God is the one who keeps me from embarrassing myself on the internet).

Re: lol my outline is too lone. pt 1

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
AHAHA oh man I am glad I read that rant before doing something rash. Thanks for the link. :D

I'm tempted to go with Diniel and Samaqiel, even if that other fic has already used it. I wonder if Samaqiel and Samkiel are transliterations of the same name.

Re: lol my outline is too lone. pt 1

[identity profile] hiza-chan.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
"Samaqiel is the angel of Capricorn and helps Archangel Anael look after people born under this sign." This amuses me because I've read Anna's true name being Anael like a dozen times. XD
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Re: lol my outline is too lone. pt 1

[personal profile] alexseanchai 2010-04-16 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
I have settled that to my satisfaction by having Amy Milton dream that her unborn daughter's name was Anael and Amy waking up and deciding it sounded pretty but wasn't a real name so she named her daughter Anna Elizabeth Milton.

As for why the angels all call her Anna, even 5x13!Uriel who doesn't yet have any idea that Anna was/will be born human, I don't know. Maybe angels don't interact with language the same way humans do, so they're drawing descriptive terms from the minds of the listeners so as to be sure they're communicating in terms the listeners understand? And Castiel's Babelfish doesn't work right, which is why Zachariah can do pop culture references and Castiel not so much.

Re: lol my outline is too lone. pt 1

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I was always :-/ that the angels call Anna just Anna and that they also call Castiel Cas. Didn't want. I like your theory about drawing descriptive terms from listeners' minds though.

pt 2.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my god, is this going to become an accidental novel? Cas and Anna find Sam, Dean tries to convince him that his life in danger, and Sam is like ya'll are crazy, get out of my face. "Haven't you been having strange dreams, feeling like your life is not your own?" Dean demands. Sam looks scared then and is definitely all, "GET OUT OF MY FACE." And Dean resists just angelzapping memories of Sam's old life back to him. Resists, because if being human is what Sam wants, maybe he should stay that way, because Dean wants Sam to be happy. Maybe there's a way to keep Sam safe without bringing up the past--

AND THEN THE ANGELS ATTACK. Action sequence, bla bla bla, Dean is discovered as a traitor. In the aftermath, there is angst, revelations, and intense emotions in wherever it is Dean, Sam, Anna, and Cas are recuperating. "You know it's true," Dean says. "You know who you used to be, you know who you still are."

And Sam doesn't want to believe it, but he knows it's true.

"I'm sorry," Dean says, and Sam snaps, "Don't."

Then the story goes on like episode 4x10 for a while, plus a side of Dean angstily convincing Sam to become an angel again to protect himself. The four of them go to find Sam's grace. Another action sequence goes here.

Anyway, skipping ahead to after Sam has angeled up and disappeared. The next scenes are a callback to Dean's search for Sam in the beginning of the fic. It's twice as frustrating and heartbreaking for Dean because he has already done this, he can't do this again, but he persists, because for Sam. Eventually he catches up with Sam and is basically angry with him. "YOU DON'T GET TO LEAVE ME A SECOND TIME," Dean says. "We're doing this together. You're all I have now." They fell because of each other, anyway.

Dean's cellphone chirps with a text.

Sam says, "Angels have cellphones now?"

It's Cas texting Dean asking if he's okay.

Dean texts back that they're fine.

"So where to now?" Sam asks, and Dean grins, and says, "Everywhere."

And then they are renegade angels ever after, the end.

Hmm. This isn't too full of plot holes, is it? Do you reckon I can sign up for the next Big Bang with this?

Re: pt 2.

[identity profile] hiza-chan.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh God, I have to go to work in five minutes, so chances are you're gonna get another more in depth comment about this at like 11. (well, my time 11 anyway, I have no idea what time it'll be wherever you are)

But this is great and I totally think you should sign up for the next Big Bang with this. Cause uh, from what I can tell this sounds like it's gonna turn LONG on you. And it's definitely not full of plot holes. I especially love this idea: (Maybe as human!Sam grows up, he is having creepy dreams of his previous angelic life, disturbing the angelic force? That's how the angels pick up on it?) Like a lot. And Dean finding and needing Cas and Anna to help find his brother is perfect. Much better than just trying to screw with Supernatural's plotline. And god, would you smack me if I said I almost want this to turn into a novel? Haha. And I have not read that other fic, but you should link me to it. Dean as the angel of children makes me snicker, because he totally loves kids even if he's all like "Go away you little brats."

And again, work in like negative 2 minutes so I don't have time to look up the Sam!angel names. Uh, Samael would be a no-no though. Samaqiel sounds nice enough though I don't know what he's the angel OF.

The only thing I'd really say in a kind of negative fashion is that I'd want more Anna and Cas. Because Anna and Cas as hunters would be so cute and I want their dynamic together. Buuuuut this pulls together much better as a story and I'm sure I'll get my dose of Anna and Cas when they team up with Dean. And um. I have to go like right now, but I am all for that. And again, Big Bang would really work!

Re: pt 2.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Here is the fic: http://community.livejournal.com/deancastiel/916806.html

Thank you SO MUCH for listening to me rant and ramble about this. It has been really useful and fun, and you are a wonderful sounding board. This wouldn't have happened without you. :D

Haha, I want more Anna and Cas toooo. How did I end up plotting angel!hunters when my initial squee was over hunter!angels? Mysterious ways.

Waaa, the SPN and AU big bangs have already started! Oh well. I supposed I don't need to sign up for a Big Bang to write it... though it would keep me on task.

Re: pt 2.

[identity profile] hiza-chan.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
No prob, discussing this has been pretty awesome and I'm really looking forward to the fic! Lol. Oh those Winchesters, they take over everything. And ya, Big Bangs aren't necessary, but with the deadline it definitely helps things along. Oh well. You can do it! ♥

Re: pt 2.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you think if I have most of the fic in Dean POV, but I switch occasionally to other POVs, that would be, like, a faux pas? But maybe I don't need to switch POVs if I can just have Dean read their minds...

Maybe in the end maybe Sam and Dean ditch their vessels and are renegade angels in their true angel forms. It kind of wouldn't be fair to not!Jensen that he signed up to be a servant of heaven, but now he's a servant to a rebel angel. But then again, what's to stop the angels from kidnapping not!Jensen and torturing him for information after Dean leaves? Or should not!Jensen be comatose when Dean possesses him? Should he be dead? Vessel consent issues.

[identity profile] zempasuchil.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
But WHY would John give Cas up in the first place?
that might be the difference - Cas and Anna are dealing with a dad who will sacrifice anything for the world, whereas the Winchesters have John who will sacrifice the world for his family. So maybe Cas's dad doesn't have to make a deal with the devil, he just goes for old fashioned self-sacrifice, and Cas tries going after him?

that scene is a GORGEOUS scene, with Sam filling up with light and them looking at each otherrr. "My brother is not a monster." DEEEAN. OH SAMNDEAN <3

I also love Ruby and her utter conviction. I want good fic or something about her because the show just couldn't make her sympathetic, not really after season 3.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-15 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! omg Z I just wrote a two-part comment outlining angels!Winchesters fic in reply to hiza_chan. Am I crazy? Could this be a Big Bang? Is my first Big Bang gonna be in SPN? Why SPN gotta make me do so many crazy things re: writing? Who would read this AU gen? Is it too Wincestuous for D/C fans? Too many angels for Wincest fans? Why is it - when I mean to write Cas/Anna humantimes - that I end up plotting Winchester angeltimes?

Who is the big bad angel after Sam, I wonder. I'm thinking Azazel, but changing the name to Azrael, but making it obvious that it's Azazel by having him have golden eyes. Or something. Or maybe it's Alastair?

Why has this AU eaten my brain.

[identity profile] zempasuchil.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
AUs are all ABOUT brain-eating! The good ones, at least! Dude, isn't it awesome? :DDD I am really excited about all the crazy things SPN make you do re: writing, babe.

I don't think it is too Wincestuous for those who like D/C, but then I don't know if D/C fans are irrationally crazy. I mean, the show is about Winchesters, so if your fic is about Winchesters BUT ALSO CAS IN NEW AND INTERESTING WAYS I don't see how they could possibly object. And no way is it too many angels! You are looking at fandom sectors and I think you should look at your source material and you will see you are treating on it in an admirably wholistic way rather than piecemeal like crazy shippers are wont. be proud!!!

(I am not surprised it ends up as Winchester angeltimes. I mean, you're still writing about angels, just, not our secondary character angels. But I'm just saying, this show is hard to tear away from our heroes when it's not just a short cut scene or whatever.)

I like that, Azrael with golden eyes! I am SURE Heaven has counterpart type people for these figures - Alastair especially. A heavenly Alastair counterpart would be terrifying. actually... kinda Gabriel, if playing with people before killing them counts as torture. which it does.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
OH AND ANOTHER THING. Sam's dreams about his angelic other life? The strongest brightest ones are about Dean. All the angels pick up on this disturbance in the angelic force, so Dean does too and his heart kind of drops out his chest (if he had a heart). He never realized Sam cared this much, you know? But here Sam is, in a new life and not even the same creature, and still hung up on Dean. He knows the other angels are gonna see this too, this love. Dean thinks, I'm so fucked. He also thinks, Thank god. He's horrified and relieved. When he makes to leave, he runs into angel!Bobby (--and what the hell am I gonna name angel!Bobby, or should I just have him say idjit a lot--) and for a moment you think it's gonna devolve to fisticuffs, but what Bobby ends up doing is saying something like, "I'll buy you time before I tell the others. But I have to tell the others. Fly hard." And Dean does, and he thinks maybe there's hope for angels after all. There's hope for him and hope for Sam and he hurtles down to earth with the sound of Sam's true voice echoing in his head going Dean Dean Dean.

And another parallel that would be fun to play with is how angels don't feel and how canon Dean is all about being too manly to have feelings. XD

Do you think if I have most of the fic in Dean POV, but I switch occasionally to other POVs, that would be, like, a faux pas? Hmm, but maybe I don't need to switch POVs if I can just have Dean read their minds...

I wish I could wordvomit some Cas&Anna, but I feel like that'll be one of those things that unfurls once I get Dean there. I just gotta wait.

AND. In the end maybe Sam and Dean ditch their vessels and are renegade angels in their true forms. It kind of wouldn't be fair to not!Jensen that he signed up to be a servant of heaven, but now he's a servant to a rebel angel. But then again, what's to stop the angels from kidnapping not!Jensen and torturing him for information? Should not!Jensen be comatose when Dean possesses him? Should he be dead? Mannnn, vessel consent issues!


Haha, I am totally just looking at sectors, you are right. I wonder if I'll throw in some Dean/Anna or Dean/Cas in the end.

[identity profile] hiza-chan.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
OH AND ANOTHER THING. Sam's dreams about his angelic other life? The strongest brightest ones are about Dean. All the angels pick up on this disturbance in the angelic force, so Dean does too and his heart kind of drops out his chest (if he had a heart). He never realized Sam cared this much, you know? But here Sam is, in a new life and not even the same creature, and still hung up on Dean. He knows the other angels are gonna see this too, this love. Dean thinks, I'm so fucked. He also thinks, Thank god. He's horrified and relieved. When he makes to leave, he runs into angel!Bobby (--and what the hell am I gonna name angel!Bobby, or should I just have him say idjit a lot--) and for a moment you think it's gonna devolve to fisticuffs, but what Bobby ends up doing is saying something like, "I'll buy you time before I tell the others. But I have to tell the others. Fly hard." And Dean does, and he thinks maybe there's hope for angels after all. There's hope for him and hope for Sam and he hurtles down to earth with the sound of Sam's true voice echoing in his head going Dean Dean Dean.

This idea is super win. I approve.

Also, maybe not!Jensen could be in a coma that he's not gonna wake up from. I like their bodies too much for them to ditch their vessels. But at the same time, I guess having him be dead would work, but then if Dean had to like leave his body somewhere for a period of time when he came back it wouldn't be quite so minty fresh. And if he left his vessel, the angels would totally torture him for information about Dean's whereabouts. So... I don't think that would work. Your best bets are probably coma or death.

Haha, I am totally just looking at sectors, you are right. I wonder if I'll throw in some Dean/Anna or Dean/Cas in the end.

...I totally vote for the Dean/Cas. Because... ya. I love their dynamic together.

Also! regarding POV. I think you could definitely write it mostly in Dean's POV but maybe switch to Anna and Cas at certain points. It would work. Plus, I want to hear some of this story from Cas' POV cause Cas!hunter sounds so fun. God, I'd love to play around in his head.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-16 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
:D thanks

Maybe not!Jensen is desolate and broken that he says yes to Dean because Jensen doesn't care if he lives or dies? Oh god, poor vessels. OR. Maybe Dean and not!Jensen talk it out and it turns out that not!Jensen agrees with Dean's cause so he doesn't mind being a vessel.

Gah, maybe Dean should just make a body for himself. Or maybe I just don't address and hope no one notices. Dean possesses not!Jensen and leaves him at the end to be angels with Sam, and I run away before anyone has a fridge moment.

God, I'd love to play around in his head.
Cas's head is such an interesting place, no matter what form he's in. XD

[identity profile] zempasuchil.livejournal.com 2010-04-17 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
He knows the other angels are gonna see this too, this love. Dean thinks, I'm so fucked. He also thinks, Thank god.
omg <333333 my heart is pitter-patter. I like this Dean, I like that he and Sam are drawn together more than pushed apart, that they both want to love each other instead of mostly hiding behind being repressed and manly about the importance of family.

I dunno the authoritative source on angels but google gives me for B-angels "Barrattiel - angel of support." Which is pretty Bobby. But unfortunately you can't get that close to "bobby" with an angel name. Bobbiel. heh. He is going to say idjit at least once, I mean the writers rely on that so much to be his catchphrase and they invented him.

Do angels read minds like that? I think it would be kinda weirder to have our main character reading minds than to have POV-switch episodes.

vessel-consent issues are so haaard! I wonder what Dean would think, if he'd think about possessing a dead or comatose person before a live praying one. Ooh, you know what would be cool, someone desperately looking for redemption with no idea of how to do it, friendless and lifeless, trying to think of a way to start over or something - what if an angel swooped them up then? like, you're making bad choices but you want to do the right thing so I'll let you be the vessel for the right thing. It's not morally consensual but it is moral? Anyway, it would clearly be easier for plot purposes to have Dean inhabit a dead/comatose person. though it would be sad to do that to not!Jensen.

I wonder if I'll throw in some Dean/Anna or Dean/Cas in the end.
:D the more the merrier? yessss.

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-18 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe it's easier to love each other when there's no apocalypse going on in the background. Ha, probz not. But yeah I guess now their biggest problem is that theirs is a star-crossed bromance. I wonder how Wincestuous it's gonna get. Is it Wincest if they're angelbrothers? Angelcest? I kind of see the connection between angels as more tribal than familial/fraternal [Totally nabbed this comparison from Mike Carey's Lucifer!].

Yeah I guess I'll choose a B name out of an angel name list, and just make him say idjit a lot. Barquiel. Yeah, angels can read each other's minds, it's canon. But not automatically; they have to intend to.

VESSEL CONSENT. Maybe Dean can pull the "I just wanna find my brother!" card on not!Jensen. PLEASE PLEASE LET ME FIND MY BROTHER IN YOUR BODY, I AM SO DESPERAAAATE. Okay, Dean doesn't beg. But he gets his point across. And I dunno, maybe he and not!Jensen can negotiate something. Not!Jensen says if I say yes, then you have to do XYZ.

GAH, NOT!JENSEN, DON'T TELL YOU ARE THE ONE COCKBLOCKING MY FIC.

Maybe I should just have Dean create himself a whole new body to inhabit, or something.

[identity profile] zempasuchil.livejournal.com 2010-04-19 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
The tribal idea makes more sense to me. Angel dynamics are kinda confusing tbh. They are competitive like brothers I think, but beyond that they seem to be the sort of brothers that have grown apart.

I like the "wanna find my brother" card. cockblocking! XDDD I like the deal idea. Dean is tempted to run roughshod because that's what angels do and what he's after is clearly more important than whatever drama is going on in guitar player's life, but he soon feels some sympathy cos it's family trouble or something?

[identity profile] twoskeletons.livejournal.com 2010-04-19 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh god, if Dean and not!Jensen have sympathetic conversations together in his head. Too many emotional subplots. Not!Jensen, we don't have time for your drama! Maybe not!Jensen is dormant for the most part, but Dean pokes him awake when he needs to talk, or advice, or something.

[identity profile] zempasuchil.livejournal.com 2010-04-20 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe not!Jensen is dormant for the most part, but Dean pokes him awake when he needs to talk, or advice, or something.
This would make for some interesting scenes! Dean has a confidant who may or may want to listen, but at least their conversations are private. And it is slightly better than talking to himself, right? heh.