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1. Is 2010 like the year of the earthquake? There was another one in western China's Qinghai province this morning, seven on the richter and so far at least 600 dead. The Huffington Post has links to how you can help. Fandom, are we gonna have ourselves a help_china?

2. How about the AU where Cas and Anna are hunters together, and the Winchesters are angels. Uriel is the Bobby. What the hell would their last names be? The emotional/plot notes can't be the same as SPN. Anna is the older sister who wants out of this life, running away not to go to college, but to a simple life working some simple job. Younger bro Cas tracks her down when... something happens. Or maybe it's something else that compels her to go back to the life, because Anna in canon is never forced into anything. Canonically, she chose to fall, then she chose to be an angel again. So maybe something happens to Cas, and Anna is the one who pursues him. They reconnect, sort of. That is the pilot episode.

Mostly I just want to write about Cas and Anna on a road trip, patching each other up, fighting about their dad, Cas resenting Anna's aloofness, and Anna pitying his frustration. Recounting memories of their childhood and how much things have changed, but sometimes when Anna is the last one to fall asleep, she stares at the ceiling and listens to her brother's breathing in the next bed and it feels like being fourteen again, shacked up in another shitty motel room and waiting for Dad to come home. It's like that with Cas, she finds: being with her brother sometimes feels like time standing still.

I have no idea what the plot is, since Cas and Anna are emotionally so different from Dean and Sam. Anna is not so blindly self-sacrificing, and she probably has to end up pulling Cas back from a lot of stupid decisions. She always tell her little brother he has to think, man, think for yourself. "I'm not always going to be around to boss you around," Anna says, and she's smiling this crooked smile, and it feels like a little too much foreshadowing for Cas.

Mostly I want to rewrite 4.01 where Cas is all, "WHO ARE YOU," and Dean is like, "Dude, I'm the one who pulled you out of the fucking pit. Some thanks I get." Mostly I wanna rewrite 4.02 where Dean gets all in Cas's face in the end, all like, "Look, pal," etc. And omg, 4.16? 4.22? 5.04? jflksjdl.

But would this AU even naturally lead to canon S4? I don't know if Cas would summon a crossroad demon to bring Anna back from the dead. Maybe he'd do it for his dad, though. Maybe Cas goes to hell to get his dad back and Anna says DON'T DO THAT ARE YOU CRAZY, but yes, sometimes Cas is crazy, and something goes wrong and he gets stuck downstairs. Anna staunchly goes through every lore she knows trying to trick hell into giving her her brother back. Nothing works. Dean pulls Cas out of hell, but WHY? (Plus, Cas probably got all, "You should've saved my dad, not me," at Dean.)

And where does Sam come in? Maybe Sam is the Anna, and when he chose to fall, Dean spent years secretly looking for him on earth.

Aaaand that's all I got. I dunno, anyone wanna ramble it out with me in comments? Everyone should have a hunter AU. Mulder and Scully should be hunters. Gaga and Beyonce should be hunters. Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse should be hunters.

3. Meme time! Similar to the concept of

firstlines1000, give me the first line and I'll reply with it as the first line of a ficlet/drabble thingie. Fandoms: Supernatural, Supernatural RPF, Fight Club, The Office, Parks & Recreation, classic Disney/WB cartoons, X-Files, Boondock Saints, Leverage, random anthropomorphism.

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Dude, that idea up there? Awesome. Having Castiel as a human would be fantastic, mostly because I DO NOT think he'd act like Jimmy. And Anna as his big sister and that little snippet down there? Oh my God, I don't even, that was great.

And I do think the AU could lead to Canon S4. I agree, I don't think he'd summon a demon to bring Anna back. Anna might, but I think both of them would be really hurt, but they'd accept it. I much prefer the idea of him doing it for his dad. And um. Dean pulls Cas from hell because he thinks he's one smokin' piece of ass? Haha. No, I'm kidding. You could possibly use the whole, "Dude, I'm your Guardian Angel." because you know that Dean would make an AWFUL Guardian Angel. If he was Cas' guardian angel when Cas went to hell he would've pulled him up against regulations just because over the years he really grew to like Cas.

And I like the idea that Sam is Anna, that he chose to fall and Dean spent forever looking for him. Cause even an AU where they were angels I really don't think they'd just be Lucifer and Michael. And speaking of them, would you even use the Michael and Lucifer plotline? Or just not acknowledge that bit of canon. Which... can't get to Season 5 without Lucifer. I mean, I guess you could go ZOMBIE!Apocalypse instead of ANGEL!Apocalypse, but putting angels in the story without the BIBLE!Apocalypse version wouldn't make much sense. I guess Cas could be Michael's vessel and Anna could be Lucifer's? (Or the other way around?) But I think Anna would be the one to do the demon blood thing anyway even though she's suppsed to be the Dean of this verse. I mean... maybe Cas would do it... but I doubt it. Mm, Cas as a human would totally be similar to the Cas from the future. I mean, maybe without the complete and utter hopelessness but with the drugs and the alcohol? I think he'd dabble. Damn, I am so interested now.

And meme... well shit.

Even after years of hunting them, Scully still has the nagging feeling that there has to be some rational explanation for the monsters in the dark.

And don't suppose you'd give me a first line of something too? I'm bored and am probably gonna snag this for my own journal. ....Out of your list I could probably only do Supernatural, Fight Club, or X-Files but mostly just Supernatural.

Hm. I wish to hear more of this verse.

Thanks, yo! and lol Cas would in NO WAY act like Jimmy. :D

I dunno if Anna would summon a demon either. The angel family is not as co-dependent as the Winchesters. Anna is a little more self-interested, and Cas is more hung up on his dad than he is on his sister.

I don't see Dean and Sam as higher-order angels either. Maybe they were in the same garrison XD. I think the idea of Sam of falling to earth and Dean looking for him could be a self-contained AU fic in of itself. I have noooo idea if I would use the Michael/Lucifer plotline. I think once I figure out why Cas and Anna's dad is in hell, the plot would work itself around that. I have no idea if 5x04 would work into this hypothetical plot, but the idea of Cas getting zapped into the future and seeing broken!angel!Dean is like fkdlsjfklds. How would Dean be broken? I am tempted to make him as big a hedonist as Canon Croatverse Cas, but it would be nice symmetry for Croatverse Angel Dean to become a complete recluse who only resurfaces from his drunken stupor to kill things and be an ass at everyone. omg what is Croatverse Angel Dean is Canon Croatverse Dean, just not in a leadership position? I just wanna see Dean and Cas interact, I don't even know if I wanna use the vessel plotline.

Anna is not supposed to be the Dean of this 'verse. She is a Sam who happens to be the older sibling. I'm not sure about Anna and the demon blood. I don't know if she'd get that desperate.

I will reply with the fic in another comment! And here is your line:

Mulder almost asks, "What the hell kind of name is Castiel?" but then again, it's not like he can claim to have the most normal name of them all, either.

Ya, and I dunno if the whole Demon Blood when you were a baby and Mommy burning on the ceiling thing would work out for them much anyway. Especially if Anna was the older one.

And haha, I could see them being in the same garrison. They wouldn't be as close as they are in the show, since dude, angels have a BIG family. I mean, maybe Dean just kinda latched on to Sam and was all like "Hey! You're my favorite bro now!" and Sam would be all "*sigh* Fine. ~~Jerk~~" And Dean would scoff and reply in kind. But ya, the bit with Sam falling to Earth would possibly read better if you did it separately from the Castiel and Anna bit. I mean, obviously we have Dean raising Cas from perdition in the Cas and Anna are hunters bit, but I think too much background from the Sam and Dean side of things might take away from the story. But ya never know, you're a great writer and I could see you making it work.

And yes, maybe if you just focused on the idea and didn't so much write the exact plot it would work LOADS better. And if you went with that then 5x04 would probably NOT happen without that particularly plotline but the idea is so awesome. Because Broken Dean would totally be regular Croatverse Dean. It would be cool if he was like Croatverse Cas, but I think that's probably too close to his original attitude. And Broken!Dean would be opposite of his cheerful little self. Soooo ya.

Mmm, I really hope you go through with this idea.

if you just focused on the idea and didn't so much write the exact plot it would work LOADS better.
Yeah you're right. It would be fun to borrow small elements of canon, but it totally needs its own overarching plot.

I can see Dean's attachment to Sam being a precursor of his attachment to Cas. Angels are supposed to be aloof, and they're supposed to love all their brothers and sisters the same, but Sam and Dean have a special affinity for each other. Dean maybe feels a little guilty about it, but Sam embraces it more, and maybe his affection for Dean is partly what inspires Sam to fall in the first place, because loving Dean opens Sam's eyes to this whole new world of ~feelings~ or whatever. Maybe he sees that Dean is skittish about ~feelings~, and though it hurts Sam to have to leave him behind, he won't force Dean into having to choose his loyalties. He knows how loyal Dean is. So Sam rips out his grace, and Dean is totally upset by this. Sometimes he wonders if he would've or should've fallen with Sam, but he always shoves those kinds of thoughts out of his mind. Such thoughts are unbecoming for an angel. But yeah, he still keeps an eye out for Sam on earth. (Maybe looking for Sam is part of his secret agenda of being on earth. He's there for Cas, but also secretly for Sam.)

So then like in canon, maybe Sam has to go find his grace. This can be plot-relevant somehow. What will Sam then do with his grace? Also lol it's kind of funny how even in this universe, angels think Sam Winchester must die. So once Sam angels up and saves the day, he has to go into hiding, but before he does that, he and Dean are going to have a ~moment~. It's gonna be bittersweet, because they just found each other again, but just as quickly they are forced to part.

Also, in this 'verse, I ship Sam/Anna. Also Sam would be hilarious randomly popping into the backseat of their car and freaking them out.

As for how Cas and Anna become hunters, if not their mother burning on the ceiling, then it can just parallel the angel creation story: maybe Cas and Anna are just born into this function. They've been raised in this life since the beginning, it's what they were made for. As for what excuse I'd have for bringing Cas into the croatverse future, hmm, still have to think about that one.

Haha, if I do go through with it, it wouldn't be any time soon. Perhaps it can be a summer project. oh god i have too many fic ideas to write XD.

*butts in*

Sam and Dean have a special affinity for each other. Dean maybe feels a little guilty about it, but Sam embraces it more, and maybe his affection for Dean is partly what inspires Sam to fall in the first place, because loving Dean opens Sam's eyes to this whole new world of ~feelings~ or whatever.

This is SO Philip Pullman's gay angels in my head. Which means, yes this totally it is wonderful! (Dean's looking out for Sam turning into looking for Sam after Sam's ripped out his grace - oh my heart!)

Never mind Philip Pullman. I think Lassiter just hit on a reason why Lucifer fell. A more sympathetic reason than "Dad likes his new dolls more than he likes us", anyway. (Lucifer/Michael OTP)

I really like that idea. And yeah, it's not the same but Lucifer's speech to Sam about loving too much, loving God too much, was way more sympathetic/interesting/resonant than being prideful and jealous of humans.

Haha, oh wow. I would just like to say that I am so glad you brought up Balthamos and Baruch. I haven't even thought about them in forever, but that parallel is way too cute. Damn, now I wanna read The Amber Spyglass again.

Also, as for Sam having to look for his grace. I'm... not entirely sure why he'd have to since we aren't looking at the Lucifer/Michael plotline. Maybe Cas and Anna found Sam the way that Dean and Sam found Anna... in a mental institution for hearing voices. And they knew about the existence of angels, but didn't really CONNECT it with this kid until they were already investigating. And then maybe Dean showed up and they had that WONDERFUL moment that you described above and Dean insists that Sam needs to find his grace. ...Because Sam Winchester must die. Blarrgh, I'm talking myself in circles now. Hope that bit helped anyway.

And hell, I wish I could have shipped Sam/Anna in canon. I'd have preferred that to her stint with Dean. ...But then again, Sam was with Ruby at the time and I may be the only person ever but up until the BIG REVEAL I loved Ruby and I loved her and Sam's relationship. It was cute in an extremely dysfunctional way, but maybe I'm just weird like that. And Sam popping up in the backseat while Cas and Anna are driving is WIN.

Also. I prefer the parallel to the angel creation story. It would make loads more sense. I mean, can you just imagine baby!Cas and little!Anna running around the roadhouse? It would be cute as puppies.

...And I'm still having little luck as to why their dad was in hell. I almost wanna go grab a bible or something, cause I just know there's something in there that you could base it off of. And is Jesus even acknowledged in Supernatural? Like ever? I suppose Kripke could be basing the whole God plotline off the Old Testament, but it's thrown me off that there's never been anything said about it. The idea of God being a human (their dad!) in this plotline is totally confusing me. Cause I can't say I've ever really thought about what God as a human would do for his kids. I mean, do you think he'd sell his soul so Cas/Anna could live? In my head he's similar to John, but I dunno. I think the entire time Cas would be in that coma, about to die, Anna would completely blame him. But the question is, would he really strike up the deal in the basement? And you know that if he DID Cas would feel guilty and that would segue into Cas trying to pull him out and instead getting yanked out by Dean instead.

That might work? But again, God = human is confusing. Maybe I'll just treat him like John in my head and it'll be easier.

I love Philip Pullman's trilogy so muuuuch. Lyra has the best and most believable emotional development of a YA lit character I've seen in ages.

Sam needs to find his grace. ...Because Sam Winchester must die.
lol yes. Not dying is totally a good enough reason to find his grace. Probably Sam and Dean argue a little about it because Sam doesn't want to be an angel again, he'd rather die or something, but Dean says, "Sam, you have to, you stupid son of a bitch," all fierce and stuff, "Please, Sam," all desperate and pleading, and in the end, Sam will do it for Dean. And in the moment Sam gets his grace back, the world goes white and blinding for mortals, but Dean cannot look away from the brightness of his brother, stricken by relieved recognition, by hope, by love. All the times Dean never let himself think he'd never find Sam again, all the times Dean thought about never having Sam by his side the same way again, even after finding him, because Sam chose to be human. But here he is, here is the Sam Dean knew, the Sam Dean will always know, the angel and ally and brother, full of grace and glory and power. Sam makes eye contact with Dean for a brief moment, and Dean can't quite tell if Sam looks shocked or happy or frightened, Sam's just all wide eyes and celestial radiance. And by the time the light fades from the room, by the time the humans can open their eyes, Sam is gone.

And for a few seconds Dean just gives himself over to his vessel, breathing in and out, breathing deep. Loss and numbness translated by the human body into coldness in his chest and a weight in his belly.

He feels a hand on his shoulder and Dean looks up, and it's Cas, giving him a look that asks no questions but offers something soft and gentle. That snaps Dean out of it. Dean straightens his shoulders, straightens his face; he is a gun cocked.

"You have to get out of here," Dean says, so Cas gathers Anna in his arms, trying to be careful with the broken bones but she whimpers anyway.

"Where are we going?" Cas asks.

"You guys are going to Uriel's."

Cas raises his eyebrows. "And you--"

"I'm going to find my brother," says Dean. "The angels are hunting him, Cas, like he's some monster. My brother is not a monster."

"Dean--"

He touches two fingers to Cas's forehead, and Cas and Anna are gone.

Dean spreads his wings.

I still love Ruby. Her story could easily be told in a way that was sympathetic. Narrative imperative prevented this, sure. Well, sympathetic not as in "I understand wanting to destroy the world" but sympathetic as in "I understand devotion and love and faith to my prophet".

Maybe John doesn't end up in hell after all, so maybe Dean ends up saving Cas from something else. I hope this doesn't mean I have to lose my Orpheus parallel. Gahhhh, I like the hell thing! Maybe I should look into Nietzsche for inspiration, lol.

would he really strike up the deal in the basement?
That's the thing. What on EARTH would God ever sacrifice himself for? lol maybe he gives to the world his only begotten son? But then He changes his mind last minute. But WHY would John give Cas up in the first place?

Maybe I should move some of the emotional centerstage to angel!Winchesters after all, and figure out how Dean's search for Sam incorporates Cas and Anna.

Maybe I should move some of the emotional centerstage to angel!Winchesters after all, and figure out how Dean's search for Sam incorporates Cas and Anna.

Ya. As much as I love the idea of Cas and Anna as hunters, and Dean pulling Cas out of hell, that may work better. It seems to be a bit easier getting a handle on the angel!Winchester's plotline than the Dean raised Cas from Hell bit. Buuuuuuut I like the hell thing toooooo. It's just so interesting! There are just too many whys. Maybe if you just cleverly didn't acknowledge why Cas was in hell at all and just left it out? Some writers can do that pretty well without taking away from the story, but I mean that may not work so well with this.

Also. That scene. I like it. Lots. ♥

Thanks!

lol oh Winchesters and how they TAKE OVER EVERYTHING. So, plot: the fic can start with Dean and Sam hanging out in their heavenly garrison, battling demons and singing hosannahs or whatever. They start to fall in deep like, and start having discussions/arguments about feelings and free will. This culminates in Sam ripping out his grace, and Dean - to his vague horror - is not entirely unsurprised. The order goes out to all angels in heaven that Sam must die, and what can Dean do but obey, so he searches for Sam on earth along with all the other angels, wanting to find Sam and not wanting to find him. After some time, Dean convinces the angels that this search is a waste of time, and they all have better things to do. Then there can be scenes of Dean purposely taking assignments that are close to where he thinks Sam is, or just kind of flying around looking for Sam the way Cas looked for god.

One day, heaven says they may have knowledge of where Sam is, somewhere in southern US; the hunt will be picked up again. If angels had blood, Dean's would run cold. Dean hurtles towards earth, wanting to beat the angels to Sam. He still can't find Sam, because before Sam fell, he made damn sure that he covered his tracks. Fucking frustrating. (Maybe as human!Sam grows up, he is having creepy dreams of his previous angelic life, disturbing the angelic force? That's how the angels pick up on it?) Dean's gonna need to take on a vessel and find Sam using human means.

AND. Dean's vessel? Is a mild-mannered guy from Texas who likes to sing country songs on his acoustic guitar. Of course I won't state outright that it's Jensen Ackles or even give the vessel a name, but I will totally imply it. And this is where Cas and Anna come in! Hunters who know how to find people. Dean needs their help.

At first Cas and Anna are skeptical and just try to kill Dean, but then Dean rescues Cas or Anna ~~from perdition~~ during their next hunt and says, "You OWE me one," and then in a softer tone, "I just wanna find my brother." And Cas and Anna exchange a look, one of discomfort but also of resonance; they can relate to that.

I wonder who is the big bad angel who leads the hunt for Sam. Also I was looking up angel names, and Dean could probz be Diniel, the angel of children. As for Sam... huh not Samuel, and def not Samael... There is a Samandiriel, and a Samkiel. But I suppose I can just pull angel names out of my ass and no one would really care...? Have you ever read that other human!Cas/angel!Dean fic? Dean was also Diniel and Sam was Samaqiel. I kinda wanna just yoink Samaqiel, it has a nice ring to it.

ljs_lj has a fic series where Dean and Sam are nephilim, and their angelic names are Ediniel and Samuriel. I'm fairly certain those names are invented, though. (And after Googling: Nope. Real-people names, at least according to Facebook. But somebody's Rule 34ed Sam/Uriel.) The series has been Jossed to hell and gone but I adore it to pieces anyway.

...huh. Samaqiel is apparently real: "Samaqiel is the angel of Capricorn and helps Archangel Anael look after people born under this sign."

If you're gonna make shit up, find a Hebrew dictionary. Mone'a-mimeni-la'asot-l'astmi-fadichot-bareshetiel (God is the one who keeps me from embarrassing myself on the internet).

AHAHA oh man I am glad I read that rant before doing something rash. Thanks for the link. :D

I'm tempted to go with Diniel and Samaqiel, even if that other fic has already used it. I wonder if Samaqiel and Samkiel are transliterations of the same name.

"Samaqiel is the angel of Capricorn and helps Archangel Anael look after people born under this sign." This amuses me because I've read Anna's true name being Anael like a dozen times. XD

I have settled that to my satisfaction by having Amy Milton dream that her unborn daughter's name was Anael and Amy waking up and deciding it sounded pretty but wasn't a real name so she named her daughter Anna Elizabeth Milton.

As for why the angels all call her Anna, even 5x13!Uriel who doesn't yet have any idea that Anna was/will be born human, I don't know. Maybe angels don't interact with language the same way humans do, so they're drawing descriptive terms from the minds of the listeners so as to be sure they're communicating in terms the listeners understand? And Castiel's Babelfish doesn't work right, which is why Zachariah can do pop culture references and Castiel not so much.

Re: lol my outline is too lone. pt 1

twoskeletons.livejournal.com - 2010-04-16 15:21 (UTC) - Expand

Oh my god, is this going to become an accidental novel? Cas and Anna find Sam, Dean tries to convince him that his life in danger, and Sam is like ya'll are crazy, get out of my face. "Haven't you been having strange dreams, feeling like your life is not your own?" Dean demands. Sam looks scared then and is definitely all, "GET OUT OF MY FACE." And Dean resists just angelzapping memories of Sam's old life back to him. Resists, because if being human is what Sam wants, maybe he should stay that way, because Dean wants Sam to be happy. Maybe there's a way to keep Sam safe without bringing up the past--

AND THEN THE ANGELS ATTACK. Action sequence, bla bla bla, Dean is discovered as a traitor. In the aftermath, there is angst, revelations, and intense emotions in wherever it is Dean, Sam, Anna, and Cas are recuperating. "You know it's true," Dean says. "You know who you used to be, you know who you still are."

And Sam doesn't want to believe it, but he knows it's true.

"I'm sorry," Dean says, and Sam snaps, "Don't."

Then the story goes on like episode 4x10 for a while, plus a side of Dean angstily convincing Sam to become an angel again to protect himself. The four of them go to find Sam's grace. Another action sequence goes here.

Anyway, skipping ahead to after Sam has angeled up and disappeared. The next scenes are a callback to Dean's search for Sam in the beginning of the fic. It's twice as frustrating and heartbreaking for Dean because he has already done this, he can't do this again, but he persists, because for Sam. Eventually he catches up with Sam and is basically angry with him. "YOU DON'T GET TO LEAVE ME A SECOND TIME," Dean says. "We're doing this together. You're all I have now." They fell because of each other, anyway.

Dean's cellphone chirps with a text.

Sam says, "Angels have cellphones now?"

It's Cas texting Dean asking if he's okay.

Dean texts back that they're fine.

"So where to now?" Sam asks, and Dean grins, and says, "Everywhere."

And then they are renegade angels ever after, the end.

Hmm. This isn't too full of plot holes, is it? Do you reckon I can sign up for the next Big Bang with this?

Oh God, I have to go to work in five minutes, so chances are you're gonna get another more in depth comment about this at like 11. (well, my time 11 anyway, I have no idea what time it'll be wherever you are)

But this is great and I totally think you should sign up for the next Big Bang with this. Cause uh, from what I can tell this sounds like it's gonna turn LONG on you. And it's definitely not full of plot holes. I especially love this idea: (Maybe as human!Sam grows up, he is having creepy dreams of his previous angelic life, disturbing the angelic force? That's how the angels pick up on it?) Like a lot. And Dean finding and needing Cas and Anna to help find his brother is perfect. Much better than just trying to screw with Supernatural's plotline. And god, would you smack me if I said I almost want this to turn into a novel? Haha. And I have not read that other fic, but you should link me to it. Dean as the angel of children makes me snicker, because he totally loves kids even if he's all like "Go away you little brats."

And again, work in like negative 2 minutes so I don't have time to look up the Sam!angel names. Uh, Samael would be a no-no though. Samaqiel sounds nice enough though I don't know what he's the angel OF.

The only thing I'd really say in a kind of negative fashion is that I'd want more Anna and Cas. Because Anna and Cas as hunters would be so cute and I want their dynamic together. Buuuuut this pulls together much better as a story and I'm sure I'll get my dose of Anna and Cas when they team up with Dean. And um. I have to go like right now, but I am all for that. And again, Big Bang would really work!

Here is the fic: http://community.livejournal.com/deancastiel/916806.html

Thank you SO MUCH for listening to me rant and ramble about this. It has been really useful and fun, and you are a wonderful sounding board. This wouldn't have happened without you. :D

Haha, I want more Anna and Cas toooo. How did I end up plotting angel!hunters when my initial squee was over hunter!angels? Mysterious ways.

Waaa, the SPN and AU big bangs have already started! Oh well. I supposed I don't need to sign up for a Big Bang to write it... though it would keep me on task.

No prob, discussing this has been pretty awesome and I'm really looking forward to the fic! Lol. Oh those Winchesters, they take over everything. And ya, Big Bangs aren't necessary, but with the deadline it definitely helps things along. Oh well. You can do it! ♥

Re: pt 2.

twoskeletons.livejournal.com - 2010-04-16 15:50 (UTC) - Expand

But WHY would John give Cas up in the first place?
that might be the difference - Cas and Anna are dealing with a dad who will sacrifice anything for the world, whereas the Winchesters have John who will sacrifice the world for his family. So maybe Cas's dad doesn't have to make a deal with the devil, he just goes for old fashioned self-sacrifice, and Cas tries going after him?

that scene is a GORGEOUS scene, with Sam filling up with light and them looking at each otherrr. "My brother is not a monster." DEEEAN. OH SAMNDEAN <3

I also love Ruby and her utter conviction. I want good fic or something about her because the show just couldn't make her sympathetic, not really after season 3.

Thank you! omg Z I just wrote a two-part comment outlining angels!Winchesters fic in reply to hiza_chan. Am I crazy? Could this be a Big Bang? Is my first Big Bang gonna be in SPN? Why SPN gotta make me do so many crazy things re: writing? Who would read this AU gen? Is it too Wincestuous for D/C fans? Too many angels for Wincest fans? Why is it - when I mean to write Cas/Anna humantimes - that I end up plotting Winchester angeltimes?

Who is the big bad angel after Sam, I wonder. I'm thinking Azazel, but changing the name to Azrael, but making it obvious that it's Azazel by having him have golden eyes. Or something. Or maybe it's Alastair?

Why has this AU eaten my brain.

AUs are all ABOUT brain-eating! The good ones, at least! Dude, isn't it awesome? :DDD I am really excited about all the crazy things SPN make you do re: writing, babe.

I don't think it is too Wincestuous for those who like D/C, but then I don't know if D/C fans are irrationally crazy. I mean, the show is about Winchesters, so if your fic is about Winchesters BUT ALSO CAS IN NEW AND INTERESTING WAYS I don't see how they could possibly object. And no way is it too many angels! You are looking at fandom sectors and I think you should look at your source material and you will see you are treating on it in an admirably wholistic way rather than piecemeal like crazy shippers are wont. be proud!!!

(I am not surprised it ends up as Winchester angeltimes. I mean, you're still writing about angels, just, not our secondary character angels. But I'm just saying, this show is hard to tear away from our heroes when it's not just a short cut scene or whatever.)

I like that, Azrael with golden eyes! I am SURE Heaven has counterpart type people for these figures - Alastair especially. A heavenly Alastair counterpart would be terrifying. actually... kinda Gabriel, if playing with people before killing them counts as torture. which it does.

OH AND ANOTHER THING. Sam's dreams about his angelic other life? The strongest brightest ones are about Dean. All the angels pick up on this disturbance in the angelic force, so Dean does too and his heart kind of drops out his chest (if he had a heart). He never realized Sam cared this much, you know? But here Sam is, in a new life and not even the same creature, and still hung up on Dean. He knows the other angels are gonna see this too, this love. Dean thinks, I'm so fucked. He also thinks, Thank god. He's horrified and relieved. When he makes to leave, he runs into angel!Bobby (--and what the hell am I gonna name angel!Bobby, or should I just have him say idjit a lot--) and for a moment you think it's gonna devolve to fisticuffs, but what Bobby ends up doing is saying something like, "I'll buy you time before I tell the others. But I have to tell the others. Fly hard." And Dean does, and he thinks maybe there's hope for angels after all. There's hope for him and hope for Sam and he hurtles down to earth with the sound of Sam's true voice echoing in his head going Dean Dean Dean.

And another parallel that would be fun to play with is how angels don't feel and how canon Dean is all about being too manly to have feelings. XD

Do you think if I have most of the fic in Dean POV, but I switch occasionally to other POVs, that would be, like, a faux pas? Hmm, but maybe I don't need to switch POVs if I can just have Dean read their minds...

I wish I could wordvomit some Cas&Anna, but I feel like that'll be one of those things that unfurls once I get Dean there. I just gotta wait.

AND. In the end maybe Sam and Dean ditch their vessels and are renegade angels in their true forms. It kind of wouldn't be fair to not!Jensen that he signed up to be a servant of heaven, but now he's a servant to a rebel angel. But then again, what's to stop the angels from kidnapping not!Jensen and torturing him for information? Should not!Jensen be comatose when Dean possesses him? Should he be dead? Mannnn, vessel consent issues!

Haha, I am totally just looking at sectors, you are right. I wonder if I'll throw in some Dean/Anna or Dean/Cas in the end.

OH AND ANOTHER THING. Sam's dreams about his angelic other life? The strongest brightest ones are about Dean. All the angels pick up on this disturbance in the angelic force, so Dean does too and his heart kind of drops out his chest (if he had a heart). He never realized Sam cared this much, you know? But here Sam is, in a new life and not even the same creature, and still hung up on Dean. He knows the other angels are gonna see this too, this love. Dean thinks, I'm so fucked. He also thinks, Thank god. He's horrified and relieved. When he makes to leave, he runs into angel!Bobby (--and what the hell am I gonna name angel!Bobby, or should I just have him say idjit a lot--) and for a moment you think it's gonna devolve to fisticuffs, but what Bobby ends up doing is saying something like, "I'll buy you time before I tell the others. But I have to tell the others. Fly hard." And Dean does, and he thinks maybe there's hope for angels after all. There's hope for him and hope for Sam and he hurtles down to earth with the sound of Sam's true voice echoing in his head going Dean Dean Dean.

This idea is super win. I approve.

Also, maybe not!Jensen could be in a coma that he's not gonna wake up from. I like their bodies too much for them to ditch their vessels. But at the same time, I guess having him be dead would work, but then if Dean had to like leave his body somewhere for a period of time when he came back it wouldn't be quite so minty fresh. And if he left his vessel, the angels would totally torture him for information about Dean's whereabouts. So... I don't think that would work. Your best bets are probably coma or death.

Haha, I am totally just looking at sectors, you are right. I wonder if I'll throw in some Dean/Anna or Dean/Cas in the end.

...I totally vote for the Dean/Cas. Because... ya. I love their dynamic together.

Also! regarding POV. I think you could definitely write it mostly in Dean's POV but maybe switch to Anna and Cas at certain points. It would work. Plus, I want to hear some of this story from Cas' POV cause Cas!hunter sounds so fun. God, I'd love to play around in his head.

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He knows the other angels are gonna see this too, this love. Dean thinks, I'm so fucked. He also thinks, Thank god.
omg <333333 my heart is pitter-patter. I like this Dean, I like that he and Sam are drawn together more than pushed apart, that they both want to love each other instead of mostly hiding behind being repressed and manly about the importance of family.

I dunno the authoritative source on angels but google gives me for B-angels "Barrattiel - angel of support." Which is pretty Bobby. But unfortunately you can't get that close to "bobby" with an angel name. Bobbiel. heh. He is going to say idjit at least once, I mean the writers rely on that so much to be his catchphrase and they invented him.

Do angels read minds like that? I think it would be kinda weirder to have our main character reading minds than to have POV-switch episodes.

vessel-consent issues are so haaard! I wonder what Dean would think, if he'd think about possessing a dead or comatose person before a live praying one. Ooh, you know what would be cool, someone desperately looking for redemption with no idea of how to do it, friendless and lifeless, trying to think of a way to start over or something - what if an angel swooped them up then? like, you're making bad choices but you want to do the right thing so I'll let you be the vessel for the right thing. It's not morally consensual but it is moral? Anyway, it would clearly be easier for plot purposes to have Dean inhabit a dead/comatose person. though it would be sad to do that to not!Jensen.

I wonder if I'll throw in some Dean/Anna or Dean/Cas in the end.
:D the more the merrier? yessss.